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hello

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and this was a show

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that

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well it almost didn't happen it came

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real close uh

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we had high winds up here in maine on

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the coast and

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uh i noticed in the middle of the night

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uh when i got up that um the power was

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notice um

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mid afternoon or so that uh your

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internet is

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out you know so i figured oh boy this is

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going to be real close

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so i drove around the town where i live

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with my laptop and i got i called this

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cafe

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they were closing but i said hey by the

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way how's your internet working

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uh because i plan to do this the show

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right outside of

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of the cafe so uh they said everything's

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fine here so

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um they closed at two o'clock i went

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over there at four o'clock

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and uh one thing they didn't tell me is

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they shut off their internet so

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uh anyway i raced home and lo and behold

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the power came on

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and just like an hour and a half ago the

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internet came back

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and hooray the show is on and the show

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must go

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on so robert powell is our guest tonight

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he's going to be talking about his new

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book

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and it's called the truth about ufos

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it's a scientific perspective

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it's geared toward the young we're going

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to discuss that

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and we're also going to discuss kind of

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the scu the scientific coalition for uap

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studies and because i think it's slowly

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kind of moving the dial toward

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disclosure

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possibly i almost hate using that word

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but um there seems to me that a lot of

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people talking about some

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breaking news that's going to be coming

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out i've heard

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you know i get contacted by people that

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james fox is talking about

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2021 there's going to be something

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i'm not really sure i know little

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tidbits i don't think it's going to be

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something major and earth

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shattering i don't want everyone to get

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their hopes up because

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um i've been at this long enough to see

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hopes get crushed when something looks

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and so i caution you to uh just

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keep in mind that whatever it is it may

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such a big deal after all whatever comes

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if we keep that attitude then we're

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as far as robert powell he has his

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biography he's

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he has a bs in chemistry and he's a

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a former debater so i'm not going to

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debate him at all tonight

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he has 28 years experience in

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um anyone uh that has uh you know i

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i want to say the guts but more and more

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and we'll be talking more about that

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i want to thank everyone behind the

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scenes uh bill will be uh screening over

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uh tonight um i don't have this the

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he's gonna be taking the calls and and

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it might be a little bit clunky

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the show and

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out with this show if you can't

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help out i still appreciate you

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listening

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yearly payments

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and that's at patreon.com

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martin willis podcast ufo i wish it

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could be shorter than that but that's

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the way it is um and we do have a

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blog this week um from

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uh charles lehrer it's called

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broadcasting from the ufo now he always

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the title ufo in all of his titles and

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that's my fault i told him to do that

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if i put something up on youtube and it

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um it it it doesn't get the

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uh the downloads and it's kind of funny

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but so he puts that

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the word ufo on all the titles and this

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um going back to the the wow signal

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um all the way from uh you know

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alleged signals that were picked up

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uh by extraterrestrial and things like

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that it's kind of an interesting vlog

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check it out

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and i think that will do it for me for

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now i am about ready to bring in my

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welcome to the show robert hi martin

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it's good to be back again

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yeah i'm trying to think it was like

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last year sometime you were on the show

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i believe right

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yeah i think so yeah on you have

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written a book you're always welcome on

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the show by the way uh

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always uh love you haven't uh love you

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on the show

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and uh and i think one of the top

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shows that i have on youtube as far as

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is one with you in it talking about the

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nimitz case

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oh yeah we uh we did that show

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before the new york times uh right it

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perfect timing

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i have to give you credit martin because

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because of your show that i found kevin

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that's right yes first guy i

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he commented on the show and then you

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looked him up or something yeah

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exactly yeah he was watching your show

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and that's how i found him

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and i was already aware of the the

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sailors from the uss princeton

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the princeton facebook site but i had uh

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of them until uh after i did your show

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and there's one more witness that just

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came forward see a lot of people will

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complain like why do you talk about

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that long ago as far as sightings go but

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to this day and someone uh recently i

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they're going to be on the show

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eventually

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but came forward and yeah what do you

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do you think that uh more and more

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you'll probably slowly have more and

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uh the problem is you know once they get

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then you know that's okay uh but it's

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um and i i get that but uh i think

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that if uh you know how do you vet

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during that time and and still know

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nothing i mean it's possible

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so i know who all was on the ship uh so

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they could have been on the ship

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um and you can determine that but

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it's it's just our memories are uh

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affected by what we hear

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and so once you it's it's best i mean

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best case situation is you identify your

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and you interview them before they've

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talked to each other yeah

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yeah and i don't know this later

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gentlemen um

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he has an unusual name i just can't

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think of it right now that came forward

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i i think dave beatty has done a lot of

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the work with these people

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as far as you know trying to um get

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their story

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but but again you know i understand what

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you're saying if you hear someone else's

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story

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unless you have a whole different take

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or you have something that you're

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cooperating

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it's a tough one right yeah

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um but still i think it's uh i have

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said this uh a number of times i think

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it's one of the better cases

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that um in in this topic you know i'd

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have to say it's up in the

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top five at least oh i think so i think

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of history on this subject yeah

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and and you probably agree with me it's

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first of all it's military and then all

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the backup you know the radar

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and the two different types of radar and

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video that i would love to see along

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with a million other people

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yeah right yeah uh you think that

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you think there'll ever be a day that

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that type of video

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would be released you know that's a

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excellent question i mean personally i i

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don't see any national security issue

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involved so i don't see any reason why

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it shouldn't be released

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the same thing with the radar data i

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mean you can't release

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the nitty gritty details of the radar

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data because

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that you know that could compromise

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national security issues right because

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uh

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an adversary could figure out what our

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radar's capability

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uh is even though this is you know 15 16

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years ago

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yeah but there's nothing about the radar

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data

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that compromises national security if

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the question is

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how fast did the object go right

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or how fast did it accelerate

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those facts could be released by the

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military

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and those i see no reason why that

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should compromise national security

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and if they already have footage out

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albeit it's very short i don't know how

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many seconds it is but it's not

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not very long and i also understand that

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was also

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shortened because of what you just

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mentioned you know uh

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classified uh information could you know

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they could somehow

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um figure out how to get

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uh i'm not sure what it was but i i

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heard lou elizondo

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kind of explain why they made the video

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short

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and it was really to curb any uh

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information getting up

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out there so like like you're talking

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about

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but um i don't know why that would be

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why the videos would have to be short

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what what difference that would make

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unless

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some type of readings up on the screen

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or something like that

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yeah i have no idea why that particular

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one needed to be short

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i can't say i'm sure that it's it's a

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longer

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video not only had

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different individuals testified to that

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but the lieutenant commander

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who was there with fravor and that was

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lieutenant commander

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james slate he had a very

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good point and he said

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the way that's done it squeals up videos

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on

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last moment

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you just turn on the video when you

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leave the as you're leaving the ship

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and it stays on so there's no reason

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why there wouldn't be more video than

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what's seen

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yeah yeah well it'll it'll be

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interesting if anything else

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um comes out you know

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as far as as far as that goes

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i i really don't understand if they've

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already leaked

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or however that other video got out

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there what

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it can't be more earth-shattering you

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know maybe maybe it would be

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you could actually see a very clear

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object doing weird things you know maybe

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that's what their

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the hesitation is of i don't know you

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know

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air force

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is probably not going to disclose that

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they don't have any control over

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whatever it is

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that's uh in our skies right yeah that's

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a tough thing to admit

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yeah yeah um well

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isn't this interesting well i want to

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hear about um

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your your book and what was the genesis

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of uh writing that book

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okay so uh you know the first book that

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we wrote was ufos and government

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and uh that book was really directed

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towards

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the academic world so university

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students

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it's like 500 pages and it has a

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thousand

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references uh throughout the book

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uh but this book and i've got it here

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just so your viewers can see it so

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that's kind of what the but this is a

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hardback cover of the book

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um and that's kind of what it looks

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looks like on the inside

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yeah it's uh it's got more photos than

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that though

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uh you know we've got various

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photographs because kids like pictures

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right

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this book was geared towards ages 7 to

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12.

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and so there's a little story on what

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caused me to write it because i

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it's not like i decided a year ago okay

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i need i want to write a book for

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for kids i've got uh

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three grandkids and one of them who's

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seven years old

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he's the middle one um i was taking care

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of them back in january this year before

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all this co-wood stuff started

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and so is um they all know that their

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grandfather

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you know has an interest in ufos um and

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all all

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of them are kind of science-minded and

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so the middle one

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he had checked out a book on ufos from

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his library

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and i guess he wanted to learn about it

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so i grabbed

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you know picked up the book and i looked

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at it

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and it just was not an appropriate book

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for little kids not only did i not

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agree with the information that was in

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the book

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but it had all these gray aliens

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and stories that would just frighten a

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kid to death

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so i told him i said his name's gavin so

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i said gavin

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just take this book back to the library

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do not read this book

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and i said i t i'll tell you what i'll

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do

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i'll write you a book about ufos

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and so i promised him i would do that

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and so i decided okay

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so um the older grand

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child is uh nine so i said let me write

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something in

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for that age group and and for kids that

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are kind of science-minded

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to start with you know at that age kids

448
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don't really know if they're going to

449
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like science or not like

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science but that's when curiosity starts

451
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to kick in

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and so i wanted to write a book that

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is more than just about ufos it kind of

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teaches them

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a little bit about critical thinking uh

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how to see the world

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it kind of shows them that things aren't

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black and white that really the world is

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shades of gray

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and that that that's how you need to

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approach

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things in life so that's kind of what

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got me started on writing the book so i

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started on it

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in probably in march and i completed the

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full book

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by september and then i published it

468
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about one week ago

469
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so it's just been published oh wow

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now um you know you mentioned the

471
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pictures what

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um what else you know as as you know

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everyone has a shorter attention span

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um especially with all the information

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and i blame it on you know technology

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and information

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just coming at you in every which way

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how do you hold

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the uh reader yeah and ages seven to

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twelve is that

481
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right yeah yeah this is age seven to

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twelve and

483
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you've got a good point martin i mean

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technopoly

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his uh i mean the average adult on

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youtube

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of one and a half

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minutes and then they're gone you know

489
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yeah so um and kids have even shorter

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attention spans right

491
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so i wrote the book to

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like for example i've got about a dozen

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different

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really interesting cases but i don't you

495
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know i don't do pages

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and pages of these cases i keep

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each case to three to five pages i

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throw in pictures whenever i can and i

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try to make it interesting to a kid

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so i'll say okay this happened and then

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i'll ask them a question

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so why do you think that happened or

503
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does it make sense that this happened

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or or go ask your parents about such and

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such

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and see what they think so i'm trying to

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get the the child

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to you know interact with the book

509
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um as well as you know his surroundings

510
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so that's kind of why how i wrote it to

511
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keep it at that age level and um do you

512
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think there's going to be any

513
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um i don't want to say backlash but

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you know if if a parent picked this up

515
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and looked at it would

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you know would they say to the kid do

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you think the title of the book helps

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that so the parent wouldn't say hey you

519
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,799
know this is what are you reading this

520
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silly stuff for

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you know you talk about the scientific

522
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perspective i think

523
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if the parent uh any parent right

524
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,320
were to read the book i think they would

525
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,000
find it interesting although it

526
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is written for a 7 to 12 year old age

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group

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but there's there's no strong

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conclusions drawn

530
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,559
in the book right it just lays out

531
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here's what happened

532
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and then it asks the kid you know

533
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what do you think and it doesn't say

534
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:29,039
here's the answer or there's the answer

535
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it just it asks them to use their own

536
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you know thinking process i'll give you

537
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an example so

538
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one of the cases i used was uh menville

539
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oregon

540
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,520
yeah right so that's a you could write

541
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:45,600
pages on that but it's only about

542
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four to five pages and for example i

543
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don't mention the city

544
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i mean what eight or nine year old cares

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00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,120
at the name of the city was mcminnville

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plus it happened in a rural area anyway

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00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,240
so

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00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:01,360
uh but i did i start off and i just tell

549
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,880
the story here's what happened

550
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,720
and here's the pictures and they can

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look at the pictures

552
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,080
and then i have a photograph of the

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camera that was used

554
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,520
and then i tell them i do these little

555
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:15,200
sidebars you know where i'll say

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uh back then there's no such thing as a

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digital camera

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00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,840
these things had something called film

559
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and then then i say

560
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go to your parents or grandparents and

561
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,120
ask them about

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00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:30,320
cameras with film right because those

563
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,520
are the things that

564
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:34,320
it's interesting for a kid to learn uh

565
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it

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exposes them to the past and how you

567
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,120
know history was

568
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:42,080
uh and and so at the like at the end of

569
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the book

570
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i discussed that some people feel that

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maybe

572
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,799
uh the trent's who were the family that

573
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,720
took the photographs that perhaps they

574
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:51,679
hoaxed them

575
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:55,280
right and and i also mentioned that

576
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,480
um as far as we know the community

577
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,640
around them said they weren't those

578
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,960
they weren't that type of individual so

579
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:04,960
then i just asked the kid in the book

580
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,559
i said so what do you think did

581
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:11,200
do you think they made it up and i

582
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:12,799
conclude it by saying

583
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,919
to this day um and i'm

584
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:17,840
you know we can argue both sides of this

585
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:19,840
question but to this day we really don't

586
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,240
know

587
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,960
absolutely if those are real photos or

588
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:24,559
not

589
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,760
right you know it's it's just uh

590
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:29,919
i lay out the facts i don't really try

591
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:31,120
to

592
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:35,280
uh persuade you know the child one way

593
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,559
or another

594
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,880
i've had discussions with mark d'antonio

595
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:40,240
about that

596
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:43,360
you know those pictures and

597
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:47,840
he he doesn't think they're right

598
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,559
and and i don't this is one time a lot

599
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:51,760
of times i'll agree with

600
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,720
with mark but i didn't agree with him on

601
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,480
why he didn't think they were right

602
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,679
and i because i've looked

603
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:01,360
real i mean maybe he has something he

604
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:02,799
can look much

605
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:05,679
closer than i could but he thinks he can

606
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:06,320
see

607
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,720
this the uh a hint of a line or like a

608
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:13,440
fishing line or something yeah i don't

609
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,320
know

610
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,480
i don't see that at all and as a matter

611
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:18,720
of fact a french group of

612
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,480
uh francois luang who i know well

613
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,400
they actually use computers to do it and

614
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:25,919
they they

615
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:28,480
they can't see it visually but they feel

616
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,520
like

617
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,000
that statistically they could establish

618
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:33,840
that it's a line there

619
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,320
but then brad sparks i don't know if you

620
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,840
know brad but

621
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,440
he's an aeronautical engineer out in

622
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,520
california he's gone through

623
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,640
luange's report and says no here's all

624
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:47,120
the mistakes and he lays them out

625
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:50,720
so i think it's still up in the air um

626
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:53,919
yeah about it yeah here's a question

627
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:54,400
that came

628
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:57,679
in um do you think a curriculum can be

629
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,480
made around

630
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:01,360
the book's core this is your book of

631
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,480
course

632
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:05,039
yes i think you could make a curriculum

633
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:06,080
around it

634
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,279
um i mean if i was going to teach a

635
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,039
group of kids about it

636
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:14,080
what i would do is i would lay out a

637
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,799
case

638
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:16,880
you know that occurred and then i would

639
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,600
have the kids start

640
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,760
i would just line up okay what's the

641
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,520
positives and the negatives

642
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,520
what are the reasons this may not be

643
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:27,520
true and what are the reasons that it is

644
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:28,480
true

645
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:31,760
and have them list that right and

646
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:34,640
and then have them discuss it um i think

647
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:35,200
it's

648
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:40,320
ufo topic is an excellent

649
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,760
tool for kids to use and learn how to

650
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:45,360
use

651
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:48,480
critical thinking uh on both sides of it

652
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,440
right

653
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,200
you don't want on the one hand to just

654
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,120
accept everything on the other hand you

655
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,960
don't want to automatically reject

656
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,159
everything

657
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:59,039
right you know i wasn't even into ufos

658
00:25:01,269 --> 00:25:00,480
when i was a little kid and i can tell

659
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,279
you that

660
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,679
i would have been into that type of

661
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:04,960
situation

662
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,679
you know where um where you can look

663
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,440
into it and then you have

664
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:11,120
like a debate about what it could be or

665
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,400
something like that i would have been

666
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,679
very interested

667
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:16,000
in you know always like science-y type

668
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,799
things and

669
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,919
yeah i definitely would have been

670
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,840
interested in that what are some of the

671
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:21,840
other cases you talk about in the book

672
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:24,400
oh one of the other cases i talk about

673
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,520
there was a case in 2013 in ontario

674
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:28,720
canada

675
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:31,919
that involved a a scientist who actually

676
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:35,440
i've met the guy in person he has a r

677
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,720
d lab and he has contracts with the

678
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:40,640
department of defense so he

679
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:43,520
he's remained anonymous all these years

680
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,080
but he

681
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:46,400
and two other guys were out hunting in

682
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,360
ontario

683
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,679
is it this one right here right yes it's

684
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:50,880
that case right there

685
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:54,159
yeah uh why don't we go into the

686
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,840
i appreciate you bringing this up as

687
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,000
part of the but can we go into

688
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,080
deep details about this case because i

689
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,240
find it totally fascinating it is it's a

690
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:04,159
very fascinating case

691
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:07,120
um so yeah we could go into deep detail

692
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:08,720
but before i do it

693
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:12,320
here here's why i i i pick certain cases

694
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,960
because i

695
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,279
thought they would they had good

696
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:17,120
components that were good for

697
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:20,640
young kids right so there are no

698
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:24,640
abduction stories in this book

699
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:32,390
the but what was nice about this case

700
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:35,440
is we've got some interesting drawings

701
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,320
that been made

702
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,919
so that you've got pictures for these

703
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,080
kids

704
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,480
the key witness is the scientists i

705
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,640
think that's a valuable thing for

706
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,440
you know kids to know that scientists

707
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,400
have also observed these type of objects

708
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:53,360
and then there's also electromagnetic

709
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,159
effects

710
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:57,120
that happen during this so i think it's

711
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,000
good for the

712
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,720
kids to think okay electromagnetic

713
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:01,840
effects

714
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,120
what what is that uh what are examples

715
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:07,039
of electromagnetism you know those kind

716
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:07,840
of things

717
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,679
and then lastly in this incident there's

718
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:13,039
a time

719
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:17,200
when they take out he takes out his gun

720
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,320
and he's got a scope on it and the

721
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,960
main witness who's a scientist he's not

722
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,960
taking out the gun to shoot the object

723
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,080
he's taking it out

724
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:29,120
because he wants to he's got a 9x

725
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,960
uh lens on it so he's trying to get a

726
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:35,520
closer up look at the object

727
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:38,559
well a couple of his his two buddies

728
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:39,120
they say

729
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:43,200
shoot it right which he doesn't yeah so

730
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:44,720
i thought that's an interesting thing

731
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,080
you know for kids to contemplate right

732
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,559
is that a smart thing to do why should

733
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,120
you do that or why should you not

734
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,760
do that right it's all you know to get

735
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:57,760
their creative juices going

736
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,799
uh but to go back to the case

737
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:03,360
the first time i ever heard about this

738
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:04,240
case

739
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:08,559
was in 2015

740
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,110
and phil leach actually found the case

741
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,480
phil is a retired police investigator

742
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,600
in indiana and so he he wound up being

743
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:26,640
the guy that signed the case

744
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,159
and when

745
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,840
phil first got the case he contacted me

746
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,640
because after

747
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,640
he talked to the witness he felt like he

748
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:37,679
needed some

749
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,880
support on the case so i gave him

750
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:43,120
you know support and he explained the

751
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:44,080
case to me

752
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:47,919
and the first thing to me was

753
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:50,960
wow is this really true

754
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,399
right and so i was like okay i i'm

755
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,480
i want to come up and meet the guy

756
00:29:02,710 --> 00:28:58,000
because i want to

757
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:02,720
verify uh this guy is who he says he is

758
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:05,919
and so i verified

759
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:09,520
that he is a scientist he does have dod

760
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,640
contracts

761
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:13,840
he does have an r d lab he does have

762
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,360
engineers that work for him

763
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:20,640
so this guy and he's got plenty of money

764
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,080
this guy has no motivation

765
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,720
to make up a ufo story right and there's

766
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,399
just no motivation for it

767
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,080
and he's never made one he's never

768
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,360
reported one other than this instant

769
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,919
so i went and met with him i was

770
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:37,679
impressed by him

771
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:40,880
um he has a number of patents

772
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,760
um and that so that's what got me

773
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:45,440
started in

774
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:48,880
in doing the investigation now the guy

775
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,080
the primary witness he actually wrote

776
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,960
about a 40-page white paper on what

777
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,320
happened

778
00:30:02,870 --> 00:29:59,440
really oh yeah so

779
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:02,880
um and it's such a long case martin i'm

780
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,120
not even sure where to start

781
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:08,320
um i mean i can just tell your viewers

782
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,760
basically what happened i guess sure

783
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,480
so you've got these three guys are up in

784
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,240
the wilderness of ontario

785
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,240
i mean the nearest town was probably 20

786
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,480
miles away

787
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:23,039
they're in the wilderness the there is

788
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,799
no cell phone coverage

789
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,480
that tells you how far away they are

790
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:28,640
from civilization

791
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,600
um so they're out and they're hunting

792
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:33,600
black bear

793
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:37,279
so that's that's why they're there so

794
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:41,840
um he uses his sony uh video recorder

795
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,640
to video the black you know these black

796
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,000
bears that they had

797
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,200
shot etc

798
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,840
and then they they put the bears in

799
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,720
their trunk

800
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:55,039
in their truck they've got a large uh

801
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:56,720
dodge truck

802
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,519
and they're driving to meet another

803
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,279
party of hunters they're out there with

804
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:04,000
them there's about six guys total

805
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:09,120
so on the way to uh their destination

806
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,720
the sitting in the back seat

807
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,519
by himself in the truck is the primary

808
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:16,799
witness the guy who's

809
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:19,600
also a scientist and his two friends are

810
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:20,320
in the

811
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,760
driver's side passenger side he notices

812
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,640
something

813
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,640
kind of out on the right hand side of

814
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,080
the truck

815
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:30,640
and he looks over there and he sees a

816
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:31,120
bright

817
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:35,120
thought was

818
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:38,000
okay it's 9 30 at night i'm in the

819
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:38,640
middle of

820
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,399
nowhere what is a helicopter doing and

821
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,679
why is it approaching us

822
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,760
right i mean if you put yourself in his

823
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,000
place that's not a comfortable

824
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,880
feeling because you're wondering what

825
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,640
the heck's a helicopter doing out here

826
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:53,840
in the middle of

827
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,600
nowhere right um so they're contin

828
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:59,760
but he doesn't say anything he's just

829
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,720
made mental note

830
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,200
they're going down the road the light

831
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,880
keeps getting closer and closer and

832
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:06,080
brighter

833
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,519
until it crosses in front of them

834
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,919
and at that point in time it's clear to

835
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:13,600
him this is not

836
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:16,799
a helicopter and so the

837
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:20,080
driver stops the truck so that the truck

838
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:21,679
stops

839
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,799
and they're looking at an object this is

840
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,720
the shape of a barbell

841
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:29,360
it's like two one disc here another disc

842
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,000
here

843
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:32,399
and you've got a bar connecting the two

844
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:33,519
discs

845
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,200
i mean that's as non-aerodynamic

846
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,080
of an object as i can imagine you could

847
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:41,440
create

848
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:45,440
yeah and so he's looking at this object

849
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,720
and he notices it's got a purple haze

850
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,679
all around it

851
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,159
so he feels like it's a plasma

852
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:54,880
encircling the object

853
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,559
the distance he estimates about 400 feet

854
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:01,120
because there's there's trees everywhere

855
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,240
and it's

856
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,919
based on where it's at he knows that

857
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,240
it's in the tree line

858
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:09,039
so we know that it's so he knows that uh

859
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,760
he gets out

860
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:12,320
his uh first the first thing he does is

861
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:13,200
he takes out

862
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,200
his sony camera in his camera

863
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,640
as soon as he turns it on it's on for a

864
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:22,960
half a second and then it clicks off

865
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,559
he does it again same thing

866
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:29,279
then he grabs his cell phone motorola's

867
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,919
cell phone

868
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:32,559
see if he can take an image of the cell

869
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:33,360
phone

870
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,360
hot as if it was and it's acting as if

871
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:40,799
it's just now booting up

872
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,679
so cell phones not operating then they

873
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:45,519
they have a motorola

874
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:49,120
uh radio which they also grab because

875
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,559
they want to talk

876
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,240
to the other group that's out there

877
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:54,480
somewhere well the

878
00:34:03,190 --> 00:33:58,480
motorola radio phone is dead

879
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,200
so at that point in time um

880
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:06,480
he says well okay i've got my rifle

881
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,760
gun sight and i'll use that to at least

882
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,760
look at the object closer so he gets it

883
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,800
out and that's when

884
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,879
you know his friends tell him to shoot

885
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:16,560
and he says no we're not going to shoot

886
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,440
it

887
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,480
and he starts making detailed notes

888
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,960
and this guy makes extremely detailed

889
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:23,760
notes

890
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,720
in the paper that he sent me and i

891
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:27,919
actually

892
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:31,280
uh just to be safe i redid

893
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:34,560
his calculations on the size of the

894
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,440
object

895
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,839
independent of the way he calculated it

896
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,280
and i came out with the same number he

897
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,599
did approximately 150 feet

898
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:44,399
plus or minus 10 or 15 feet so this was

899
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,200
a very

900
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,240
large object the other interesting thing

901
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:50,000
about the whole siding

902
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,119
is that there are like sparklers being

903
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,520
emitted from the object

904
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,280
the sparklers don't come out of a

905
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,200
certain end of the object like they do

906
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,040
in a jet right where you have spark

907
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,760
you you have your exhaust fumes coming

908
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:05,440
out of the jet engine

909
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,680
instead the sparklers come out of what

910
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,599
the opposite direction of wherever the

911
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:12,880
objects moving

912
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:15,839
and this if you can imagine okay here is

913
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:16,400
a

914
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,359
between

915
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,119
and that's why i went up to visit him to

916
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,640
verify all this

917
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:47,119
so as this object's turning the

918
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:48,800
sparklers always come out of

919
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:52,800
the opposite direction as it moves

920
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,480
of where it's moving towards um

921
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,640
so that's you know the object this

922
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,800
continues until the object moves out out

923
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,160
of sight

924
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:05,280
uh and then it goes higher up into the

925
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:06,160
sky and

926
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,920
uh disappears at a high rate of speed

927
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:11,760
that's kind of the end of the of the

928
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,079
story they always seem to disappear at a

929
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:15,680
high rate of speed don't they

930
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,520
yeah so many yeah now one thing he did

931
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,040
do

932
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:24,480
is once the object got farther away

933
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:28,880
he tried to re-use his video camera

934
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:32,480
and once it got i think he said about

935
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,680
somewhere around 1200 1500 feet distance

936
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,160
which is about a quarter mile

937
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,200
his video camera came on well

938
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:43,920
and he was able to video but he was not

939
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:44,400
getting

940
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:48,240
any he only got audio

941
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,440
the video screen was was noise and

942
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,839
i when i went to his place of business

943
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:55,440
we actually hooked up

944
00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:59,359
his camera to a oscilloscope

945
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:02,720
and you could see um

946
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,760
you know the the red green blue color

947
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:06,720
formations

948
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,440
that should have been into the video

949
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:11,200
camera but nothing was there

950
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:12,560
because we could see it when he had

951
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:19,270
but you could hear you could hear him

952
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,320
talking

953
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:23,440
with the other witnesses uh and so he

954
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,240
still has

955
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,480
the original camera he's got it locked

956
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,240
in a safe

957
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:31,119
uh and he's still working on it you know

958
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:31,440
he

959
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,640
it's almost like an intentional a

960
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:42,720
malfunction

961
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,839
you know it just seems like that well

962
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,920
he i mean he had a good he has a good

963
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:49,200
theory on it which i

964
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:52,560
would kind of i think a reasonable

965
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,839
you know theory what he believes is

966
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,079
in the beginning he was so close to it

967
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,079
since there's a plasma you know he sees

968
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:03,119
this plasma that's all around the object

969
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,040
he suspects that it's emitting uh an em

970
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,880
field that's so strong that it's

971
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:10,800
interfering with his camera

972
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,640
it's probably like uh inducing a current

973
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,320
into the camera and the camera probably

974
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,320
turns itself off to

975
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,359
prevent damage to itself right so it's

976
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:23,040
probably a safety mechanism in the

977
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:23,680
camera

978
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:26,880
once the object gets farther away

979
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,320
like your em fields drop off

980
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:33,440
by the inverse square law so

981
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,800
it gets far enough away the field's

982
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:37,920
going to get weaker

983
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:40,800
and so he's able to turn his camera off

984
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:41,839
on

985
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,599
so the the camera's uh mechanism to

986
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:48,079
keep you know an overloading currents

987
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,880
working

988
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,640
but there's still enough current being

989
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,160
generated in the camera that's

990
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,160
interfering with the video system

991
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,800
that that was you know his theory wow

992
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:58,320
which is reasonable

993
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,760
i'm popping this up image up this

994
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:04,640
was uh similar to what someone called a

995
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:05,200
barbell

996
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,680
type ufo uh which was a real bizarre

997
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:12,000
sighting i think it was in the 1980s

998
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:12,720
this this

999
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:16,320
happened but also um someone commented

1000
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,520
that uh don ecker's show here right here

1001
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,640
they're saying that uh one of the

1002
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,079
regular colin

1003
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,200
friends of uh don eckers says he he see

1004
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,560
he has seen a dog bone shaped craft

1005
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:29,839
which i would think is

1006
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,880
you know similar to barbell yeah it's

1007
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,359
sometimes i'll call a dumbbell a barbell

1008
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,160
or a dog bone

1009
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,280
and and actually i found it so

1010
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,320
interesting right because myself

1011
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,960
personally until that time i'd never

1012
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:47,920
heard

1013
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:51,280
of a barbell dog bone dumbbell

1014
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:55,119
shape ufo but that got me interested so

1015
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,680
i went

1016
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,520
and started researching looking for

1017
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,200
those specifically

1018
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,560
and i've found since back going back

1019
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:04,720
into the 1950s

1020
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:08,000
about somewhere around 30 to 40

1021
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,680
cases reported of that type shape

1022
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,000
and the thing that's interesting about

1023
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,079
that to me martin is right

1024
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,720
some people like on uf on the flying

1025
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,000
saucer disc

1026
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,400
they say well that's just people they've

1027
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,160
read about it in the news

1028
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,880
so they're just kind of repeating what

1029
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,599
they've heard

1030
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,599
and it's their imagination running away

1031
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:30,800
with them

1032
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:34,240
but here you've got a very strange

1033
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,839
shape which has not received a lot of

1034
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:38,880
publicity

1035
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,839
and yet you've got 30 to 40 cases

1036
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,040
reported

1037
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:46,400
of it over the last 50 to 60 years

1038
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,319
yeah yeah and you know when when someone

1039
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,319
talks about uh a lot of temples

1040
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,760
sometimes the subject

1041
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,800
will come up you know why do you think

1042
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:59,119
you know during this time there were

1043
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,079
mostly disc

1044
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:03,440
sightings and now there's uh you know

1045
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,640
triangular sightings or or

1046
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,720
and now you you put in something like

1047
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,560
this or the orbs or

1048
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,920
you know there's all all the different

1049
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,920
types of things and you know

1050
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,760
then there's the real unusual ones also

1051
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:18,400
the square box type ones or

1052
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,520
rectangular ones nothing seems

1053
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,680
except for the discs and triangles

1054
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:24,960
nothing seems to make

1055
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:28,000
sense as far as aerodynamics but you

1056
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,560
know

1057
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:29,920
if you're traveling through space i

1058
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,319
guess that's not needed if that's where

1059
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,680
they're traveling from

1060
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,160
well even the discs and the triangles

1061
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,839
are not always

1062
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,240
in in some of the good reports are not

1063
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:41,839
always aerodynamic

1064
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:44,880
and there have been uh several in

1065
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:48,720
project blue book where military pilots

1066
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,280
uh talked about a disc that what you

1067
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,960
know it was traveling aerodynamic and

1068
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:55,040
then it flipped up 90 degrees on the

1069
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,680
side

1070
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:58,480
and it's just traveling with maximum air

1071
00:42:02,309 --> 00:41:59,599
resistance

1072
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:02,319
right the flat side going forward yeah

1073
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:02,720
uh

1074
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,680
and then triangles one of my favorite

1075
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:08,400
cases happened up in your area in maine

1076
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,599
um and it it was a

1077
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,640
a triangle that before it took off it

1078
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,440
just started spinning

1079
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,880
i mean why would you do that

1080
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,319
like you're throwing a horseshoe

1081
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:24,480
spinning yeah yeah exactly

1082
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,680
yeah strange wow so up in maine i never

1083
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,880
heard of that one in particular

1084
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,960
yeah that one happened uh it's either

1085
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,200
2013 or 2015.

1086
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:36,079
it was in augusta oh yeah your cat's an

1087
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:37,359
hour away from me yeah

1088
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:40,720
yeah and uh it was witnessed by

1089
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,560
a uh a man who had a phd or has a phd

1090
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,440
in mathematics and he was with his wife

1091
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:48,880
three kids

1092
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,480
and his wife was driving and

1093
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,599
they were headed north i think it's

1094
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:58,640
i-95 yeah out of

1095
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:01,680
augusta and as they were headed north

1096
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,880
they saw this triangular uh

1097
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:07,920
object kind of like a pyramid and

1098
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:10,560
it you know it had the typical three

1099
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:11,520
white lights

1100
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,720
on the corners and the object um

1101
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,560
they they had to keep they were wanting

1102
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:18,079
to turn around but they had to go about

1103
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,640
a mile

1104
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:21,119
two miles up and so they finally did

1105
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,400
they turn around

1106
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,160
and the object's still there and then

1107
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:26,640
they see it moving

1108
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,480
and as it starts to move uh it begins to

1109
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:33,359
rotate and right before it rotates you

1110
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:34,400
know the red light

1111
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:38,400
on the bottom comes on and then it just

1112
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,640
zips off and is gone in like two seconds

1113
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,040
so bizarre and a lot of them have the

1114
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,040
lights this is another case

1115
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:49,119
right here um it's not really a very

1116
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,079
good picture

1117
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,920
but you can see this is the polaroid

1118
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,000
that was taken in australia that berman

1119
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:56,880
or something case i forget uh that was

1120
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:57,359
in

1121
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,520
james fox uh video of his documentary

1122
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,839
but that's another one that went up on

1123
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:05,200
its side and just

1124
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,720
took off you know at a high rate of

1125
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:09,760
speed as

1126
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:12,880
as uh as they always seem to do

1127
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,920
and uh you know it's just crazy you know

1128
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,359
because it's like

1129
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,319
uh there's one that uh this was i

1130
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,400
believe this was out of blue book also

1131
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,440
um it was a officer in germany

1132
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,079
and he was on um it wasn't an officer

1133
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,920
it's like a sergeant he was on duty on

1134
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:30,960
tower duty

1135
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:34,319
and this triangle is coming towards him

1136
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,599
and then it just starts like flipping

1137
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:38,720
over

1138
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:42,000
as it's moving through the sky and you

1139
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,359
know the first thing you ask is like

1140
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:45,200
okay if you're making this up why would

1141
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,960
you why would you make that up that is

1142
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,160
so crazy

1143
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:50,800
yeah so it makes you think you know

1144
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,200
either

1145
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,520
someone's making it up or it's real i i

1146
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:54,560
just

1147
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,920
i can't imagine um what type of

1148
00:45:04,470 --> 00:44:59,839
astronomical

1149
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,480
body or aircraft or whatever would make

1150
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,920
someone think

1151
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,839
that they were looking at a triangle

1152
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:09,280
that began to flip

1153
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:13,839
over well i guess it goes back to

1154
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:17,359
so many mysteries about this in the way

1155
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,560
of

1156
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,359
um you know there's never uh the

1157
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,119
breaking of a sound barrier

1158
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,800
uh when something shoots off real

1159
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,200
quickly uh or when they pass between

1160
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,520
different mediums like water and sky you

1161
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,480
know things like that

1162
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,800
yeah all these things that don't make

1163
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,000
any sense and if

1164
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:36,720
if uh there's no broken sound barrier at

1165
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:37,359
high rates

1166
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:41,440
of you know well over the speed of sound

1167
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:45,760
there they have uh a way of traveling

1168
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,119
obviously that is not going to affect

1169
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:52,000
the physics as we know it i guess well i

1170
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,200
mean

1171
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,839
it may still be physics as we know it

1172
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,280
but

1173
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,119
however they're doing it they don't

1174
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,640
appear to be interacting with the

1175
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,400
atmosphere

1176
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,640
right because our understanding of

1177
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:06,640
physics if if you're moving through the

1178
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,520
atmosphere

1179
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,359
at an extreme rate of speed there's

1180
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,599
going to be a high amount of friction

1181
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,680
in here generated and some of these

1182
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,839
objects are moving so fast

1183
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,240
that they should be a ball of fire

1184
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,520
especially when you're in

1185
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:22,000
in the lower atmosphere uh yet they're

1186
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:22,880
not

1187
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,630
going back to the physics they can't be

1188
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,160
they can't be in the atmosphere

1189
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,960
really right uh this is a better picture

1190
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:34,720
of what i was talking about earlier

1191
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,000
oh yeah that is better yeah so

1192
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:40,480
i think gravity plays a part in that too

1193
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:41,200
possibly

1194
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,760
you know i mean defying gravity in a way

1195
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:48,400
there just seems to be a lot of a lot of

1196
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,680
uh

1197
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,920
things that kind of all fit together

1198
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,200
yeah well now

1199
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,240
i'm not a physicist i'm a chemist but uh

1200
00:47:03,030 --> 00:46:59,520
i don't think anti-gravity is the answer

1201
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,040
on any of this because for example

1202
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,599
when we're in when you're in outer space

1203
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,280
right if you just took

1204
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,040
a saturn moon rocket and just stuck it

1205
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:10,960
up in space

1206
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,079
magically and there's no gravity there

1207
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,200
right you can't get

1208
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:19,760
extreme accelerations just because

1209
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:20,960
there's no gravity

1210
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,680
you still have the inertia that you have

1211
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:24,800
to overcome

1212
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:27,920
of the object itself

1213
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,839
so how that's done i have no idea but

1214
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:34,160
eliminating gravity does not

1215
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,559
allow you to rapidly accelerate

1216
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:41,760
and some people will kind of try to

1217
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,319
indicate that but to my knowledge that's

1218
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,680
not the case at all

1219
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:47,920
the only way i could think that you

1220
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:50,800
could rapidly accelerate

1221
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:55,839
is somehow you have to drive the inertia

1222
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:58,559
of the object in question towards zero

1223
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,359
right

1224
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,760
so for example if you took a spaceship

1225
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,599
and if it weighed nothing

1226
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:06,079
i'm just just imagine you could make it

1227
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,200
weigh nothing

1228
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:10,160
well now i could shine a beam of light

1229
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,280
on it

1230
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:14,160
right and if the masses is basically

1231
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,599
zero

1232
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:17,839
the the photons and the beam of light

1233
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:18,640
will impart

1234
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,000
their speed and energy to that object

1235
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:24,400
and suddenly it will accelerate at very

1236
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,200
close to the speed of light

1237
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,079
and that's kind of what these things uh

1238
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:32,319
do they're accelerating at extreme

1239
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,440
speeds so

1240
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:36,000
i don't know how you do that that that's

1241
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:37,599
a pure guess on my part

1242
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,599
but i don't think anti-gravity does that

1243
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,480
yeah yeah i've always wondered you know

1244
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,480
i don't want to really get off on a

1245
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,000
whole different topic but i've always

1246
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,000
wondered how space travel

1247
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,280
happens in space like

1248
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,920
if space is empty how does it propel

1249
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,040
itself

1250
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,160
space

1251
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:02,400
if there's if it's empty you know was it

1252
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,359
pushing against

1253
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,920
well yeah you know that's uh newton's

1254
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,480
law of

1255
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:09,119
if if here's my rocket and i'm kicking

1256
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:09,680
out

1257
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,880
propellant at this end then this side is

1258
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:13,760
going to go

1259
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,960
in the opposite direction the

1260
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:18,960
the whole problem in a chemical rocket

1261
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:22,000
is you cannot go in this direction any

1262
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:23,200
faster

1263
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,880
than you're kicking stuff out in that

1264
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:26,880
direction right

1265
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:30,960
so if if the maximum speed you can kick

1266
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,000
out this exhaust is 200

1267
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:36,640
let's just say about i don't i don't

1268
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,599
know the actual

1269
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,680
number a physicist could tell you but

1270
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:41,440
let's just say it's about 50 000 miles

1271
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,480
an hour

1272
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,559
well you'll never accelerate your rocket

1273
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,599
ship beyond 50

1274
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,280
000 miles an hour yeah i can understand

1275
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:48,960
how that makes sense yeah right

1276
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:52,319
the way we've done that

1277
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:55,599
on some craft and it takes a very long

1278
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,559
time

1279
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,760
is they use an ion engine

1280
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,640
so it's kicking out ions and they're

1281
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,400
traveling it close to light

1282
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,680
speed but it's just a few atoms right

1283
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,440
i mean it's not a whole lot of atoms and

1284
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,200
you got this mass see here's where

1285
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,800
inertia comes into play

1286
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,800
so you're having to shove this mass

1287
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:16,400
through space

1288
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,079
and given enough time right it'll keep

1289
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,200
getting a little faster a little faster

1290
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,440
and it will finally get at the same

1291
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:27,359
speed the ions are kicking out

1292
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:30,960
the back end but

1293
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:34,480
imagine if if your ion ship there right

1294
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,559
imagine if the front of it had zero mass

1295
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,720
well now as these ions kick out the back

1296
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,000
end he's going to

1297
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,200
move forward very quickly

1298
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,440
uh approaching speed of the speed of

1299
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:49,599
light

1300
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,880
um here's a a real time

1301
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,800
a real life example i guess you might

1302
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:56,880
see there's a a breakthrough

1303
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,079
project it's called oh gosh i can't

1304
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,839
remember the exact name of it but the

1305
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,960
basic idea here

1306
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,359
here's the whole idea is to get a very

1307
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:06,960
small rocket

1308
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:11,359
or a very small object to alpha centauri

1309
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,319
in 20 years so it would be moving at 20

1310
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,800
percent the speed of light

1311
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,440
and the way they do that is rather than

1312
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,440
have a big spaceship

1313
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,839
they're basically propelling a computer

1314
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:25,040
chip

1315
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,240
which you're talking about something

1316
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:28,400
that only weighs a gram so the

1317
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,359
is this the laser the laser thing right

1318
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:32,880
yeah it's very low

1319
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,520
and you put this giant sail connected to

1320
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:37,599
this little computer chip

1321
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,880
in essence and when the lasers hit that

1322
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:42,000
sail

1323
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:44,000
right the laser light is moving at the

1324
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:45,599
speed of light

1325
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:48,640
and normally that doesn't really move

1326
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,240
anything right but because this chip is

1327
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:53,680
so light

1328
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,559
and the sail is like 100 nanometers in

1329
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:57,839
thickness

1330
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:01,119
it's actually able to shove that little

1331
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,240
chip

1332
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,319
to 20 percent of the speed of light and

1333
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:07,040
i believe in 11 minutes

1334
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:10,960
wow so that's a huge acceleration yeah

1335
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,079
um but again that kind of goes back to

1336
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:15,839
the thing of

1337
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,960
you have to reduce the mass in order to

1338
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,079
be able to do these

1339
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:23,280
types of rapid acceleration yeah i know

1340
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:25,200
this show isn't just about

1341
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,559
i feel like i want to keep asking

1342
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,160
questions on this like what is the

1343
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,079
difference between mass and gravity

1344
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,960
you know or weight or weight and mess

1345
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:34,640
but i think we probably ought to move on

1346
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,440
because

1347
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,240
and talk about that yeah um off air uh

1348
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:40,000
we got about uh three minutes before we

1349
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:41,280
go into a break

1350
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:44,559
um and so let's just

1351
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,760
wrap up um about talking about some

1352
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,359
other cases that you have

1353
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:51,200
in this book how many chapters did you

1354
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:52,480
say there were

1355
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,079
well i do about 11 or 12 cases well and

1356
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,559
and each one's a chapter eight each one

1357
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:00,720
is like three to five pages

1358
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,599
yeah uh-huh and so i i don't break them

1359
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,359
into individual chapters they're just

1360
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:07,839
kind of continuous but i've got little

1361
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,200
markers you know as you go through

1362
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,440
some of the like the japanese airline

1363
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:14,559
case oh yeah

1364
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:17,680
jay touch on them 16

1365
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,040
20 something yeah yeah yeah so

1366
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:24,480
i do that case um the four

1367
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,079
uh what were they the

1368
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:31,520
national guardsmen up in ohio

1369
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:34,720
um that were in a helicopter

1370
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:37,359
when they run into a large cigar-shaped

1371
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:38,559
ufo

1372
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,920
why don't we talk about that when we

1373
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:41,599
have like i said we get we got a couple

1374
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,400
minutes

1375
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,160
because i'm not i i can't picture what

1376
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:46,319
that one is oh okay

1377
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,079
this one you know probably if i

1378
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,800
mention the guys their name to you then

1379
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:54,800
you may remember that case

1380
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:58,559
but it it's um there's four national

1381
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:59,200
guardsmen

1382
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,559
and they're go they're taking a

1383
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,359
helicopter back and they see this

1384
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,400
uh light very far off

1385
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:08,319
within just a few seconds the light is

1386
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,160
suddenly right in front of them

1387
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:13,200
and the captain who's flying uh the

1388
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,160
helic who's

1389
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,079
he's not he's the co-pilot of the

1390
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:18,240
helicopter he takes the controls away

1391
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,599
from the co-pilot

1392
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:22,160
because he's decided that there's an

1393
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,200
aircraft that's

1394
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,079
going to hit them head-on this isn't the

1395
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,079
coin cases yeah the coin case

1396
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,800
okay and so that's the name i couldn't

1397
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,240
recall

1398
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,280
and so you know he he uh dives

1399
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,000
as fast as canon helicopter which is you

1400
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,440
know you can only do so much in a

1401
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,640
helicopter

1402
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,400
and all of a sudden this object's in

1403
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,760
front of them

1404
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:46,240
and it bathes their helicopter in a

1405
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,670
and the windshield of the helicopter

1406
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,240
that's all they see is the object

1407
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,400
i mean it's filled up their entire

1408
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:00,400
windshield so this thing is close

1409
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,359
and it's large uh let me turn this thing

1410
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:05,520
off so it doesn't ring

1411
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:09,520
um i just think that's a very

1412
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,400
interesting

1413
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,640
case that kids would kind of enjoy

1414
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:14,319
because you know you've got good

1415
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,040
witnesses

1416
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,599
and it's it's so close to them right

1417
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:18,960
imagine an object

1418
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,160
so large that it fills up your entire

1419
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:23,760
windshield

1420
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,720
well yeah i mean how do you misinterpret

1421
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:28,240
that

1422
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,520
uh some people said oh they

1423
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:31,440
misinterpreted uh they were looking at

1424
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,000
venus

1425
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,880
well no i don't think so so you know

1426
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:37,680
either either those guys are idiots

1427
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:40,720
or or there was something filling up

1428
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:41,920
their full windshield

1429
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,640
that's right and it's always poor venus

1430
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,160
venus always gets blamed

1431
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,119
yeah i mean even got blamed for having

1432
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:51,760
phosphine on it not long ago so now

1433
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:54,319
that's right that's right all right all

1434
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:55,599
right everyone so we're going to be

1435
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,040
right back right after

1436
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,799
the break here and i'm going to play uh

1437
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,079
since i've mentioned

1438
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:02,160
his name a number of times i'm gonna

1439
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,440
play james fox

1440
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,680
um for you people over at youtube so

1441
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:07,599
hang in everyone uh we'll be right back

1442
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:13,030
i knew this was breaking news for the

1443
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:22,710
we need to accept that we are not alone

1444
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:26,480
in the universe the federal government

1445
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:27,440
all these years

1446
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,040
has covered up everything it's very very

1447
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,630
there have been visitation crashed craft

1448
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,920
material recovered

1449
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:40,160
it was not anything from this earth all

1450
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,079
i could do is keep a mouth shut

1451
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,079
public has a right to know there's a

1452
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,000
tremendous resistance

1453
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,480
i guarantee every one of them knows that

1454
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,119
this event happened

1455
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,040
hiding these dark secrets even from

1456
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,359
elected presidents

1457
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,119
they came running up here in such a

1458
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,160
panic child can't make it up

1459
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:04,160
declassified government documents

1460
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,119
confirm ongoing ufo incursions

1461
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,680
at nuclear weapons sites are you saying

1462
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,040
that there's some evidence that still

1463
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,680
hasn't seen the light of day

1464
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,280
i'm saying most of it hasn't seen the

1465
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:17,119
light of day these things are

1466
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:33,990
yes that video is uh available to stream

1467
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:37,119
and uh i think it's femo is where you

1468
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:38,160
want to get if you want to get the

1469
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:39,599
extras with it

1470
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,559
um it's still available out there uh i

1471
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,640
highly recommend it it's a great

1472
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,119
great movie um some people have said

1473
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:49,040
well there's nothing new in it but i

1474
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,799
um there's actually quite a few

1475
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:52,319
different things that

1476
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:55,280
i've learned um anyway we'll be coming

1477
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:56,480
right back

1478
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:06,829
about 40 seconds martin martin all right

1479
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:09,109
thanks

1480
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,720
might as well talk a little more during

1481
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:12,400
the break here uh for youtube

1482
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:15,920
next week um we have

1483
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,480
uh melanie kirk dorfer

1484
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,400
and she'll be on she was the one at the

1485
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:23,760
berkshires ufo

1486
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:28,160
so uh the woman who was a young girl

1487
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:31,119
by the lake getting ice cream and uh all

1488
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:31,920
of a sudden she

1489
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:34,160
vanished with her sister i believe from

1490
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:35,680
the car she's got a great story i talked

1491
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,910
here we go we're coming back yep in

1492
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:42,720
three

1493
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:46,079
two one go all right welcome back to the

1494
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,440
show i'm martin wilshere

1495
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:50,079
your host and uh coming right back we

1496
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:51,359
have uh

1497
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:54,799
uh robert powell welcome back robert

1498
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,319
hi martin yeah um interesting

1499
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:00,640
um that the coin case i always thought

1500
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:01,440
that was

1501
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:04,240
such a fascinating case and i remember

1502
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:05,760
my friend lee spiegel

1503
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:09,280
interviewed him on his uh he's got an

1504
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:09,760
album

1505
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:13,920
like that

1506
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,799
we actually personally interviewed him

1507
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,400
about that case

1508
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:20,880
and uh you know i mean that that's

1509
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,520
horrific

1510
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,680
to have something like that happen you

1511
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,200
you must think that's the end

1512
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,280
i mean what else can you think in a case

1513
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:29,040
like that yeah i think i consider that

1514
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:29,920
one of the top

1515
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,520
10 cases also yeah and

1516
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:35,440
what was the didn't they raise up like

1517
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,920
so many feet in a very short period

1518
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:39,200
i mean there's no way they could have

1519
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:41,920
climbed as fast as that right

1520
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:45,200
he noticed on his altimeter um after the

1521
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:46,240
object had left

1522
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,359
that he was like 1500 or 1900 feet

1523
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,599
higher than he was

1524
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:54,000
yeah and he had no explanation for how

1525
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,280
that happened

1526
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,760
yeah um i'm wondering why that wasn't

1527
01:00:02,549 --> 00:59:59,599
investigated more or was it heavily

1528
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,559
investigated do you know

1529
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,240
as far as i know it was not heavily

1530
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,160
investigated

1531
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,960
i mean talk about uh uh you know

1532
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:09,920
national

1533
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,200
security um issues yeah

1534
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:15,680
i mean it was investigated a lot uh by

1535
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:16,559
various

1536
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,680
uh civilian investigators right

1537
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,280
i think there's someone in kufos i can't

1538
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:23,119
remember her name she did a

1539
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:26,160
a good report on it but

1540
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:27,920
as far as i know it wasn't heavily

1541
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,079
investigated by the military

1542
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,319
did did he do a lot of talking on this

1543
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,240
on that subject himself and was it

1544
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:35,839
corroborated by

1545
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,640
other people on the crew yes yeah the

1546
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:40,640
the rest of the crew corroborated i mean

1547
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,670
national guardsmen and what about the uh

1548
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,760
helicopter itself did it sustain any

1549
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,040
type of

1550
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,520
uh issues from that not to my knowledge

1551
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:55,440
i mean there may have been a

1552
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:58,720
an issue with the compass on it that

1553
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:01,280
may not have corrected itself i'm not

1554
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,559
certain

1555
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:05,040
but other than that i'm not aware of any

1556
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:05,760
permanent

1557
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:08,960
problem with the helicopter yeah yeah

1558
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:10,000
that's something

1559
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:12,079
um getting back to your book just a

1560
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,200
couple more questions um

1561
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:18,240
uh do you think that this

1562
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,440
helps the um

1563
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,680
the the person reading it the child or

1564
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:25,440
even an older person reading it

1565
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,200
do you think it helps guide them in a

1566
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:28,960
direction where they're going to do

1567
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,960
more research into the topic yeah

1568
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:35,040
i try to bring as much science for that

1569
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:37,599
age group as i can right you can't go

1570
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:40,559
heavy into science at that age but you

1571
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,440
can get their

1572
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,920
curiosity going so like i explained to

1573
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:44,960
them the difference

1574
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:47,359
between for example facts and a

1575
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:48,799
hypothesis

1576
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,000
versus like a theory and so like um

1577
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,480
i tell them you might have a hypothesis

1578
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:56,000
that earthworms like

1579
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,920
the shade so you can create an

1580
01:02:02,950 --> 01:01:59,599
experiment where

1581
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:02,960
you you know divide up a box and

1582
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,599
you count the earthworms you know when

1583
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:07,920
it's the daytime which side are they on

1584
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:10,000
or and how many are on the shaded side

1585
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:11,520
you know so i give them an idea of how

1586
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:14,079
that works

1587
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,920
and also at the end of the book

1588
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,440
i tell them if they want to learn more

1589
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,280
about ufos

1590
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,520
the first thing they should do is study

1591
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:25,280
science in school

1592
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,559
so that's well i i think we need more

1593
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:30,880
kids that go into the field of science

1594
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:33,039
so i said whether you like geology or

1595
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,000
astronomy or

1596
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:35,920
physics or chemistry doesn't make any

1597
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,319
difference as long as you study science

1598
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:42,559
you'll gain the right tools and

1599
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,359
knowledge to learn more about ufos

1600
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,520
and then i give them a list of books

1601
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:49,520
that you know if they want something a

1602
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:51,200
little more

1603
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:54,559
meaty uh to learn because the idea here

1604
01:03:01,029 --> 01:02:57,280
is that this book just gets them going

1605
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,039
yeah and then i list other books that

1606
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:03,200
are more advanced that they could begin

1607
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:04,480
to read

1608
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:08,880
so that's kind of the idea on this

1609
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:12,400
and did you like for instance um

1610
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:15,280
let's say the coin helicopter case did

1611
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:16,079
you have

1612
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,599
like at the end of there for more

1613
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:19,760
information on this case

1614
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:21,920
um you know go here or something like

1615
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:22,880
anything like that

1616
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,799
as far as you know most people get their

1617
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,400
information from the internet

1618
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,319
it's kind of a scary place sometimes to

1619
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,319
get the right information that's true

1620
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,200
um now what i i didn't do that i just

1621
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:35,280
recommended specific books

1622
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:37,760
yeah that they should go read and some

1623
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,799
of those books

1624
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,960
have the coin case for example our book

1625
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:42,240
ufos and government

1626
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:45,520
is one but i listed that one farther

1627
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,000
down

1628
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,520
because i wanted books that were uh

1629
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:51,280
a little easier right because this is a

1630
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:54,480
seven to eleven year old age group

1631
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:58,400
uh so i list them from easiest to most

1632
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,160
to more difficult and yeah

1633
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,559
i like that that title um ufos in

1634
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:05,920
government

1635
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:09,039
and uh and that was uh also was that

1636
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:10,400
science minded too for

1637
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:13,520
the younger people as well uh ufos in

1638
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:14,319
government is

1639
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:18,079
really directed towards a college age

1640
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:21,280
kids yeah so it's uh like i said there's

1641
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:23,680
over a thousand references

1642
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:27,680
and it's written like a history book um

1643
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:30,000
so it's it's very it's much more matter

1644
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:30,799
of fact

1645
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:33,839
and drier it's much drier than like

1646
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:37,599
this book yeah yeah interesting wow

1647
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:39,760
so let's uh let's shift gears a little

1648
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:41,760
bit and let's talk about uh

1649
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:44,880
the scu which you're involved and

1650
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,839
and can you explain to the listener that

1651
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:49,680
is unaware of exactly what that

1652
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,720
is what it is and who's involved please

1653
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:53,680
sure

1654
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,799
so the scu stands for the scientific

1655
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:58,079
coalition

1656
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:01,920
uh of uap studies and

1657
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:05,920
it was created in september of 2017

1658
01:05:09,789 --> 01:05:09,039
by myself and two other individuals it's

1659
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:09,799
a

1660
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:13,200
501c3 non-profit

1661
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:16,960
today it has over 100 members

1662
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:19,760
most of those members have science

1663
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:21,520
backgrounds

1664
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:24,319
uh over half have advanced degrees

1665
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,630
about 16 percent are from other

1666
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:35,039
countries

1667
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:38,720
we have members who are part of nasa

1668
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:41,920
part of the european space agency uh we

1669
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:42,559
have an ex

1670
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:45,039
norad member uh we've got several

1671
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:45,680
members

1672
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:55,589
what else can i tell you about it um

1673
01:06:02,190 --> 01:05:58,960
i guess the key thing is

1674
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:02,200
i think to understand that in our

1675
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:03,440
organization

1676
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:06,079
is a good example that people with

1677
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:07,359
science background

1678
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:09,359
backgrounds are interested in this

1679
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:11,200
subject this is not

1680
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:15,599
a subject that all scientists avoid

1681
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:19,280
we have university professors in scu

1682
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:23,680
that are part of our overall team

1683
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:26,480
and we're over a hundred now and we

1684
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:27,680
really didn't go out

1685
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:31,039
trying to recruit people they find us

1686
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:33,200
and then we have a board of directors

1687
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:35,119
meeting every month

1688
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:38,480
and whenever someone applies we review

1689
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:42,480
you know their resume their view

1690
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:45,599
on the uap subject and

1691
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:49,039
you know we say you know yeah you're nay

1692
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:53,119
and we're i think we're at 100 506

1693
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:54,880
members right now

1694
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:56,880
yeah i've gotten involved just in

1695
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:58,000
helping with the

1696
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:01,280
streams and uh the topics are just

1697
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,720
fantastic

1698
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:04,559
and i was uh thrilled that linda

1699
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:05,760
zimmerman

1700
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:09,039
um it became a a member of the team

1701
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:09,520
there

1702
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,520
as well yeah

1703
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:15,520
the name brings a bell it's hard for me

1704
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:16,880
to keep track of

1705
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:19,359
yeah she's uh the one i can connected

1706
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,000
you with

1707
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,799
uh animal science right right right yeah

1708
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,079
and actually

1709
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:26,480
uh martin uh i've sent her a couple of

1710
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:28,640
cases i just happened to run across

1711
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,799
when i was going through some blue book

1712
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:32,319
cases that were good

1713
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:35,119
animal cases so i sent them to her yeah

1714
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:36,400
yeah she liked that

1715
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:38,640
another fascinating topic i mean there's

1716
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,599
so many

1717
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,680
when it when it when it comes to this

1718
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:43,200
but um what are

1719
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:46,319
some of the uh i know that uh like i

1720
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:47,520
said i've helped uh

1721
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:50,720
host uh some of the the the talks

1722
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:53,839
but um what are some of the

1723
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:56,319
scientific takes on this you know like

1724
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,599
michael masters is

1725
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,280
is very interesting the time travel

1726
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:01,680
thing right he's part of that

1727
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:02,720
and there are several people that have

1728
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:05,039
been on this show kevin knuth

1729
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:08,799
um and and many others but uh there's

1730
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,760
there's all

1731
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,680
all types of ways of looking at this

1732
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:13,680
topic is

1733
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:17,040
i mean within scu uh

1734
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:20,239
there are um people across a

1735
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,520
full range of their thoughts on the

1736
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,799
topic

1737
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:27,279
right i mean some people may think the

1738
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:28,640
ep hypothesis

1739
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:31,759
is the most likely you know others like

1740
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,120
michael masters think

1741
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:36,319
well perhaps time travel might be

1742
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:40,480
the best explanation and

1743
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:44,080
and this is important um within the icu

1744
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:46,000
we understand what a hypothesis

1745
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,920
is and it doesn't mean that we believe

1746
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:49,600
that's necessarily true

1747
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,120
right so when michael master says okay

1748
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:56,080
you can explain this with time travel

1749
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:56,880
he's saying

1750
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,719
okay time travel could explain it but

1751
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:00,000
he's not saying

1752
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:03,199
that is the answer right and a lot

1753
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,600
a lot of times in the public they don't

1754
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:07,440
people don't always understand that

1755
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:10,560
especially in the media if you say the

1756
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:11,040
e.t

1757
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,759
hypothesis they assume that you're

1758
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:15,600
automatically saying there's little

1759
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:16,880
green aliens

1760
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:20,640
in the flying saucers well really

1761
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:23,679
all the ep hypothesis says is

1762
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,799
based on what we know of

1763
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,279
extrasolar planets and what we know of

1764
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:31,440
the universe

1765
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:34,799
a hypothesis is that

1766
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,839
that could be not that it is it could be

1767
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:39,120
the origin

1768
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:46,470
right um i don't know if you if you saw

1769
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,279
this and

1770
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:49,759
i didn't and i didn't see this in

1771
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:50,960
particular

1772
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:55,120
but uh i know that uh obama was asked

1773
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:58,480
about ufos on

1774
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,640
not uh with jimmy kimmel and i'm

1775
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,000
wondering if this uh

1776
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:04,320
is this a new uh interview with stephen

1777
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:05,440
colbert

1778
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,560
um did you happen to catch that no

1779
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,640
i i didn't catch it so i can't really

1780
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:12,000
comment on what he

1781
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,120
said yeah uh but you know

1782
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:17,520
for all politicians i don't think on

1783
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,159
that subject they're ever going to

1784
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:22,800
comment very uh concretely it's always

1785
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,360
going to be uh

1786
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:27,199
you know kind of a wishy-washy answer i

1787
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:28,880
would suspect yeah

1788
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:32,080
well when jimmy kimmel asked

1789
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,120
obama uh what he thought

1790
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,440
he goes if if i was sitting there you

1791
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:39,120
know and then he's like

1792
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:41,040
laughing how unlikely that would be in

1793
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,560
the president's office

1794
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:44,480
um the first thing he would do is find

1795
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:46,159
out what's going on with ufos that's

1796
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:47,679
what jimmy kimmel says to

1797
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:51,120
to obama well a friend of the show

1798
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,040
um ben hansen spent 40 some odd hours

1799
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:57,040
going over that clip

1800
01:11:01,189 --> 01:11:00,080
to do body language with his training in

1801
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,199
the fbi

1802
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:03,679
uh obama's body language and he says

1803
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,239
that he

1804
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:07,040
was very uneasy and talking about it you

1805
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:08,640
know basically you could see the rate of

1806
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,199
uh

1807
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:12,320
of the breath rate you know the the

1808
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:13,040
possible

1809
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,560
uh heartbeat rate rising and all that

1810
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:18,000
shortness of breath you know things like

1811
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:19,840
that when he was talking about the topic

1812
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:22,400
yeah and i could believe that of course

1813
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:23,440
what you don't know is

1814
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:25,840
why is he uneasy yeah is it because he

1815
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,640
knows something

1816
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,400
or is it because he knows well just

1817
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:29,840
talking about this

1818
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:32,000
subject is not good for my political

1819
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:37,990
it could be it could be that exactly

1820
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:40,000
it's very very true

1821
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,199
yeah it's nothing uh

1822
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:45,679
nothing that uh i i saw another question

1823
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:46,239
here

1824
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:49,840
nothing you can can get any firm answers

1825
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:50,239
from

1826
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,440
at all uh i can't there was another

1827
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:54,960
question besides this one

1828
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:57,360
have you ever found any ufo footage

1829
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:58,000
interesting

1830
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:02,000
yourself uh well to me the most

1831
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:05,120
um i'll mention too one

1832
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:09,199
is the nimitz video from 2004.

1833
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,640
um i i find that one very interesting

1834
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,360
but not because of just the video if all

1835
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:17,280
we had was that video

1836
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,560
then i would be like eh but you've got

1837
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,560
so many witnesses

1838
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:24,800
and you had an event that happened that

1839
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:26,960
day that that makes the video much

1840
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:30,640
more useful another video

1841
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:35,040
is the 2013 aguadilla video

1842
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,120
which we analyzed this is over puerto

1843
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:39,600
rico yes i wanted to talk about that

1844
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:42,640
because homeland security you spent a

1845
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:43,920
lot of time on that one

1846
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,640
can you can you uh bring that up and

1847
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:48,239
just kind of go into detail on that if

1848
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:49,520
you don't mind

1849
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:52,800
sure so uh we gained we

1850
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:56,080
um morgan beal who's part of the scu

1851
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:00,000
also uh was able to obtain this video

1852
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:01,840
uh it's a video that came from homeland

1853
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,280
security

1854
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,760
and apparently the video had just been

1855
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:07,840
circulating within their offices

1856
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,880
you know just passing it around and so

1857
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,120
he got a copy of it

1858
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:15,600
and what you see in the video initially

1859
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,640
is not very

1860
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:19,360
exciting i mean you just see this object

1861
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:20,719
moving through the

1862
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:24,239
the air and when i first saw it it's a

1863
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:25,520
three minute video

1864
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:28,560
you know i'm watching it so okay it's a

1865
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:29,280
ir

1866
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:33,679
video and then you see

1867
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:36,719
uh the operator zoom in on it

1868
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:41,120
and it it starts to go over the ocean

1869
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,280
okay so and then it hits the water

1870
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,760
and to the naked eye you don't even see

1871
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,120
the water move it just

1872
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:51,760
goes into the water and i was like okay

1873
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:52,400
that's

1874
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,159
out of the water

1875
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,280
again there's no real splash uh yeah

1876
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:01,679
there's the aguadilla video there

1877
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,960
and i i'll just do a footnote here when

1878
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:07,040
we went in and analyzed it in detail

1879
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:08,880
there is movement in the water but it's

1880
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:10,960
just my newt

1881
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:14,320
okay so it comes out of the water

1882
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:16,640
and then and here was the weirdest thing

1883
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,080
of the whole video the thing

1884
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:21,280
splits in half right and

1885
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:24,159
when we i first saw that it was like wow

1886
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:24,960
now that is

1887
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,159
that is strange so

1888
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:30,159
we spent a year and a half analyzing

1889
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:31,760
this video

1890
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:35,199
uh and i i took the video we broke it

1891
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:36,640
out frame by frame

1892
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:39,120
so you've got 30 frames for every second

1893
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:40,239
of video

1894
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,360
and when it splits right i'm i'm looking

1895
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:45,679
at every individual frame

1896
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,560
and i'm looking you get pixel values for

1897
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:50,560
every pixel on that frame

1898
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:52,800
so you've got a frame with thousands of

1899
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:53,920
pixel values

1900
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:57,840
the object itself at the time it split

1901
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:01,199
consisted of about 35 pixels so there's

1902
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,600
a

1903
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:03,280
you know this isn't just two or three or

1904
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:06,320
four pixels there's 35 pixels

1905
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,000
and you get a value from 0 to 250.

1906
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:12,320
so the bigger the number in this

1907
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:13,600
particular video

1908
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:16,480
the colder the smaller the number the

1909
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,080
hotter

1910
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:20,960
and whenever you follow this object

1911
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:21,840
through the video

1912
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:24,239
anywhere through it there's always a

1913
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:24,960
core

1914
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,679
within the object that's hotter than the

1915
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:29,760
rest of the object so there's a core

1916
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:32,960
heat area so as it's

1917
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:36,000
uh as it's coming out of the water

1918
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:40,000
you still see its heat area and

1919
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,679
frame by frame the heat area begins to

1920
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:44,960
expand

1921
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,400
until it's roughly double its original

1922
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:55,040
size so instead of 35 pixels

1923
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:58,480
we're now looking at 70 pixels is this

1924
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,880
up on the screen now for youtube is it

1925
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:02,400
that that's it there if

1926
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,080
if i remember where you're at on the

1927
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:06,640
video that's uh

1928
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:10,080
um let's see where you at on that i

1929
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:10,960
would say that's

1930
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:14,000
right before it

1931
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,719
it starts to split in half i think but

1932
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:18,880
i'm not positive at the moment

1933
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:21,040
but it looks almost like a cluster in a

1934
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:22,159
way

1935
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,679
well yeah because you're looking at the

1936
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:25,280
you're looking at about

1937
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,400
60 70 pixels there if i say if you were

1938
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,239
to increase the measurement so

1939
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:32,400
the pixelation is mostly doing that

1940
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:33,280
right

1941
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:36,480
and so the object

1942
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:39,920
uh like i said the heat area increases

1943
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:40,480
right

1944
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:42,159
and the object is doubled in size and

1945
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:43,760
the heat area is double in size

1946
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:45,440
the next thing that happened was really

1947
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,000
weird is frame by frame

1948
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:51,360
the the heat area starts to split apart

1949
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:53,040
in the report i call it similar to

1950
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:54,640
mitosis which in

1951
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:58,080
biology is what a cell does right before

1952
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:00,640
it splits into two cells

1953
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,840
the nucleus uh splits and then the whole

1954
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:05,199
cell splits

1955
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:08,480
that's exactly what this looked like uh

1956
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,320
so i i don't have an explanation

1957
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:15,440
um now there's a lot of people who've

1958
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:17,280
tried to explain it

1959
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:20,480
for example they'll say well

1960
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:24,480
that the object didn't really split

1961
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:28,840
uh in half it it was a reflection

1962
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,920
right uh and then another explanation

1963
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:32,960
was

1964
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:36,560
um oh the the object

1965
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:38,800
uh there was really two objects and then

1966
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:40,640
they just finally came apart

1967
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:44,400
after three minutes right um

1968
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,920
so there's all these ex but none of

1969
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,520
those explanations are good

1970
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:49,840
explanations for what you know what's

1971
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:50,719
going on in

1972
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:53,679
in the video because if for example take

1973
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:55,040
if you had two objects

1974
01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:58,480
tied together that finally split

1975
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,920
well for starters there was a full

1976
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:03,600
three minutes almost three minutes of

1977
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:05,600
video prior to that

1978
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,239
and you never see i mean this is a high

1979
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:10,640
quality military ir video

1980
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,600
you never can separate the two objects i

1981
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,840
mean they look like one object

1982
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:17,679
until you get to this point and then

1983
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:18,880
they split

1984
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:21,199
you know that doesn't that doesn't make

1985
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:22,880
sense

1986
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:25,120
i mean we've looked at every possible

1987
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:26,560
explanation

1988
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,520
and we've never come up with any and

1989
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:30,880
what about

1990
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:33,760
speeds are erratic behavior besides the

1991
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:35,600
water

1992
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,480
the speed uh the highest speed it ever

1993
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:40,960
gets to it's like 120 miles an hour

1994
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:44,239
so the speed itself is not unusual

1995
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:47,199
other than two things one this is at

1996
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:48,880
night

1997
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:52,880
and this object is moving

1998
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:56,560
right near trees and telephone poles

1999
01:19:02,470 --> 01:18:59,920
at its speeds from 60 to 100 miles an

2000
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:02,480
hour in the middle of the night

2001
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:06,080
and it has no light source on it and

2002
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:08,800
it's able to not impact anything i mean

2003
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:10,159
that's

2004
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:12,800
if you could imagine something at 30 to

2005
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:13,760
40 feet

2006
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:15,840
in altitude cruising through your

2007
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:18,239
neighborhood at 80 to 100 miles an hour

2008
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:18,960
at night

2009
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:22,159
and not hitting anything um that that's

2010
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,760
pretty good

2011
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:25,679
uh the other thing that was unusual

2012
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:26,960
about the speed

2013
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:29,920
is that when it impacts the water

2014
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:30,480
there's a

2015
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:33,840
very slight reduction in speed it hit

2016
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:37,120
the water at around 105 miles an hour

2017
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:41,600
so we see it dropped to about 85

2018
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,760
and then it continues to move at around

2019
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:45,120
85

2020
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:47,199
and before it when it comes out of the

2021
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:48,159
water

2022
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:52,320
then it's at around 65 but

2023
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:55,360
you you don't see this big splash you

2024
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:55,679
just

2025
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:58,239
see a very faint water movement as it

2026
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:59,520
goes in

2027
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,760
and we thought okay a drone might be

2028
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:03,440
able to do that

2029
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:06,480
but what a drone can't do is come back

2030
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:09,600
out of the water at high speed

2031
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,280
right unless there's a rocket or

2032
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:13,120
something like that right like an icbm

2033
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:15,040
coming out of a submarine does that

2034
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:17,920
but you've got a rocket propellant to

2035
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,040
break through the water

2036
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:21,520
and keep going up yeah there's there's

2037
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:23,199
drones that will go into the water and

2038
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,239
come back out

2039
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:26,239
but they they kind of like float up to

2040
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,360
the top and they

2041
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,880
just bare and you know they finally

2042
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:30,560
break the plane and then they get in the

2043
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:32,000
atmosphere and start moving

2044
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:36,080
again but i'm not aware of anything that

2045
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,960
can just

2046
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:38,400
move through the water at that speed and

2047
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:40,880
just keep on going through the water

2048
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:43,679
and what about propulsion did you see

2049
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:44,840
any signs of

2050
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:47,920
propulsion no there was no signs of

2051
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:50,239
propulsion

2052
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,000
that's such a bizarre case yeah and uh

2053
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,760
and there were there was a was it like

2054
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,280
did you say four of you that were

2055
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:59,440
working on this for a year and a half

2056
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:01,280
uh yeah there's four of us that worked

2057
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,520
on it for about a year and a half

2058
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,760
and it just basically comes down to

2059
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:07,120
inconclusive

2060
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:09,520
yeah we have no idea what that is the

2061
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:11,360
only thing we can say

2062
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:14,800
is we've eliminated every

2063
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,960
possible explanation we could think of

2064
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:18,639
from birds to drones

2065
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:21,520
to balloons to what have you yeah and

2066
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:22,480
what is that

2067
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:25,600
what does the common

2068
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:28,080
skeptic say do they bring up all those

2069
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:29,360
things balloons because

2070
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,400
i think i heard that myself the uh

2071
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:35,120
the commons skeptic you know it changes

2072
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,880
over time

2073
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:38,560
so they started off with the balloon

2074
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:39,920
theory

2075
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,920
and then that didn't work too well

2076
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,360
because

2077
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:45,360
you've got a heat source the center area

2078
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:47,120
is hotter than the rest

2079
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:50,480
plus an infrared with uh

2080
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:53,520
a balloon the bottom of the balloon is

2081
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,400
gonna and we

2082
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:56,320
demonstrated this by actually doing a

2083
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,840
balloon test the bottom of the balloon

2084
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:59,600
will be warmer and the top will be

2085
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:00,880
colder that's because

2086
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:04,719
infrared is reflecting the

2087
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,199
basically black body radiation of the

2088
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:09,520
atmosphere so it's cold on top

2089
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:12,000
and on the bottom it's reflecting heat

2090
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:13,360
coming off the land

2091
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,480
so it looks warmer on the bottom so

2092
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,320
that was the first theory which that

2093
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,560
didn't work so then the next theory

2094
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,320
i think a lot of the skeptics came up

2095
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:24,400
with was

2096
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,239
let me back up martin i mean i'm a

2097
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:28,560
skeptic these guys aren't skeptics

2098
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:29,600
they're what i call the

2099
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:31,600
bunkers in other words they they've

2100
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:32,639
already decided

2101
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:35,360
it can't be and so what do i have to do

2102
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:35,760
to

2103
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:38,000
say it can't be it's not an open-minded

2104
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:39,040
approach

2105
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:42,400
so so then it's okay must be two

2106
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:46,639
uh lanterns right like chinese lanterns

2107
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:48,800
tied together

2108
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:51,360
and so they're they're flying through

2109
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:52,560
and bear in mind the

2110
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:55,280
wind speed this on this day is 15 miles

2111
01:23:03,189 --> 01:22:56,000
an hour

2112
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,199
ever flown a chinese lander knows

2113
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:05,679
that i don't even think you could get it

2114
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:07,120
off the ground

2115
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,719
let alone keep it in the air because

2116
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:10,480
what happens is these things are very

2117
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:13,199
fragile and the wind is just going to

2118
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,159
collapse it

2119
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:16,159
and your candle is just going to drop to

2120
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:17,440
the ground yeah

2121
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:21,760
so uh there's there's no way you could

2122
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,920
you know that that could explain is and

2123
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,840
then and then but to make the theory go

2124
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,600
further they say okay so

2125
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:29,280
i've got these two chinese lanterns

2126
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:31,040
they're stuck together

2127
01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:33,120
and then right when they get over the

2128
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:34,159
ocean right

2129
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:35,520
so when they're over the ocean the

2130
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,840
plane's looking at them now they split

2131
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:39,199
apart

2132
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:42,480
and and but how about how did they go

2133
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:43,440
into the ocean

2134
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:46,880
oh okay well at first they said

2135
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:49,600
uh clouds because clouds break you know

2136
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:50,880
we'll stop ir

2137
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:54,080
which is true and i said well i don't

2138
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,199
think so because

2139
01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:58,320
i can see the way ocean waves so

2140
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:02,400
how can the cloud you know block

2141
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:05,120
the the object but not block the ocean

2142
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:05,679
waves

2143
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:08,000
right so then they came up the next one

2144
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,760
they came up with this oh okay

2145
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,199
the reason it looks like it went into

2146
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:13,440
the water is because the camera just

2147
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:15,520
lost its ability

2148
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,560
uh to focus properly and so the object

2149
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:21,040
just disappeared

2150
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:24,159
right i mean it's just like one i

2151
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:27,679
i mean for me it's almost like it's the

2152
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,360
the flip side of people who will say

2153
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:33,840
anything to say there's a little gray

2154
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:35,360
alien here

2155
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,880
right it doesn't matter what you say

2156
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:38,320
they're going to have a reason why there

2157
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,840
is a little gray alien

2158
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:41,280
well these guys are the same thing

2159
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:43,520
except it doesn't matter what you say

2160
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:44,880
they're gonna have a reason why it

2161
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:46,639
cannot be

2162
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:49,920
even though their argument

2163
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:53,280
is it's like waving a magic wand right i

2164
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:54,480
mean what kind of argument

2165
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:57,600
is it to say oh the camera just lost its

2166
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:59,520
focusing ability that must be what it

2167
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:00,639
was

2168
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:02,880
because then five seconds later the

2169
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:04,239
object comes out of the water so what

2170
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:05,840
are you going to argue now

2171
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,800
oh it got its focusing ability back oh

2172
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:10,800
it disappeared again lost its focusing a

2173
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:11,520
bit

2174
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:14,639
i mean it's just like and if you had to

2175
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:15,040
guess

2176
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:18,639
how as far as distance in the water

2177
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:21,199
how long was it in the water it was all

2178
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,320
right water

2179
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:24,400
for i think the longest time was maybe

2180
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:26,719
seven or eight seconds and about how

2181
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:27,280
many

2182
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:29,199
would you say a hundred yards or

2183
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:30,960
something oh that would have moved in

2184
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:32,480
seven or eight seconds

2185
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:35,600
yeah well let's see um oh

2186
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,159
it's moving at 60 miles an hour that's a

2187
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,000
mile a minute right so

2188
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:43,040
a mile a minute is you don't have to try

2189
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:44,719
to do the amount of seconds yeah about

2190
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:46,239
500 feet

2191
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:48,800
oh so it is yeah yeah how about that

2192
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:49,840
interesting

2193
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:52,239
and i saw that i actually watched that

2194
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:53,440
video when it

2195
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:55,600
when it goes into the water and that is

2196
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,639
just baffling

2197
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,639
yeah and you can actually see this video

2198
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:00,800
up it's somewhere on youtube right

2199
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:02,880
yeah yeah it's on youtube it's a google

2200
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,320
uh aguadilla puerto rico

2201
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:09,199
ufo homeland security it will they'll

2202
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:10,400
pull it up

2203
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:12,639
and what did the the homeland security

2204
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:14,159
what did they

2205
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:17,440
did they do their own investigation

2206
01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:19,440
uh oh before i answer that question

2207
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:22,760
actually they can go to the scu website

2208
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:25,360
explorescu.org and we've got it on our

2209
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:26,480
website

2210
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,679
yes that's right to youtube

2211
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:31,280
and now as far as i know homeland

2212
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,800
security did not never investigate it

2213
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:37,040
wow isn't that interesting don't you

2214
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:38,800
think that's another case that they

2215
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:39,600
would really want to

2216
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:43,120
find out you know it's really

2217
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:46,800
it's like a sociological issue

2218
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:48,800
with people in general i i don't think

2219
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:51,040
it's a cover-up it's like

2220
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:53,120
um because it they were passing it

2221
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,360
around in their office right

2222
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:58,080
like what is it wow we can't but no one

2223
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:00,159
really investigated it

2224
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:02,400
uh oh okay i'm gonna take this back

2225
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:03,679
martin

2226
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,920
when we first talked to them they did

2227
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,120
they sent it

2228
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:09,600
to the air force at quantico i believe

2229
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:11,360
in quantico virginia

2230
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:15,040
sent it to them and and the guy told us

2231
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:16,800
that two weeks later

2232
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:20,400
the air force sent back a reply uh

2233
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:22,000
why don't you go talk to a ufo

2234
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:23,760
organization really

2235
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:26,159
i mean i was just like are you kidding

2236
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:27,040
how about that

2237
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,400
yeah that is that's really interesting

2238
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:32,480
now maybe they really did investigate it

2239
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:34,719
who knows and they just told those guys

2240
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:35,280
that

2241
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:39,280
possible but i think it's probably

2242
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:39,840
likely

2243
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:42,800
that's exactly what they said about that

2244
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:43,360
wow

2245
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:46,000
nothing worth it going uh to current

2246
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:46,560
events

2247
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:49,040
um i'm sure you saw this thing about in

2248
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:49,600
the

2249
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:52,719
showed up

2250
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:55,199
oh yeah yeah i have so many emails i've

2251
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:56,239
been getting from people

2252
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,440
a lot of people are thinking it's aliens

2253
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,600
i personally think it's and then it

2254
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:04,159
showed up in bulgaria i believe it was

2255
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:05,679
yeah that was a different looking not

2256
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:08,560
bulgaria somewhere else uh poland maybe

2257
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,159
i think it was poland uh anyway

2258
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:14,080
uh so anyway somewhere else in the world

2259
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:15,840
that showed up whether it's the same one

2260
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:18,719
or not i think it's it was different oh

2261
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:19,520
is it

2262
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:22,400
i think someone's having some fun yeah

2263
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:23,520
something i see you

2264
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,520
talking about it and uh yeah it's kind

2265
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,280
of a

2266
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:29,760
yeah i i would think uh it would be a

2267
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:30,480
great

2268
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:33,600
art uh project or whatever to put

2269
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:34,960
something out and hopefully it's

2270
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:35,760
discovered

2271
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:38,560
and if so they got all the media that

2272
01:28:41,669 --> 01:28:40,080
they could possibly ever want

2273
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:41,679
out of that boy they got a lot of

2274
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:44,159
mileage so here's a question that uh

2275
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:44,719
came up

2276
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,600
from uh stephen can ufos be using

2277
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:49,440
technologies we have yet

2278
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:54,159
to comprehend which explains ufo footage

2279
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:55,840
i'm not sure about that last part of the

2280
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:57,520
question but i would agree

2281
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,920
uh ufos uh display technology which we

2282
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:03,360
don't understand

2283
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:05,679
um that doesn't mean it necessarily

2284
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:06,400
violates

2285
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:09,199
physics but right you know we don't

2286
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:10,560
understand how

2287
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:13,600
how it operates oh by the way um uh

2288
01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:14,639
thank you janiece

2289
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,360
that's romania is where that thing ah

2290
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:19,440
showed up okay we got close bulgaria and

2291
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:21,760
poland we were all around

2292
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:23,920
at least you got eastern europe right

2293
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:25,760
yeah yeah that's right

2294
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:28,320
i think i'm going to put up right now if

2295
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:29,840
anyone wants to call in it's going to be

2296
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:31,600
just a little bit different but

2297
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:34,239
i will let bill know over he's going to

2298
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:35,679
be screening

2299
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:38,080
over a kgra radio he will take your call

2300
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:39,520
and talk to you

2301
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:42,080
and let me know that you were there so

2302
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:42,639
uh

2303
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:49,440
four seven two five four eight three and

2304
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:50,560
bill is standing by

2305
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:51,920
unfortunately i can't see when calls

2306
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:54,560
come in but bill will let me know

2307
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:58,800
um when that does happen now the same

2308
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:02,000
gentleman or gentlemen and women that

2309
01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:02,560
you

2310
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:06,159
actually did that study with um

2311
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:09,840
for that puerto rican object whatever it

2312
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:10,560
was

2313
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:13,600
did you in turn study something else i

2314
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:15,120
mean this was sort of the beginning of

2315
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:16,000
the scu

2316
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:18,080
too wasn't it right that was the first

2317
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:20,880
major case the svu did

2318
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:23,440
then the next case that we did was the

2319
01:30:27,750 --> 01:30:24,000
uss

2320
01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:27,760
nimitz case and that took

2321
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:35,149
i'm trying to remember the middle of

2322
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:37,120
2016

2323
01:30:41,189 --> 01:30:39,840
is when i began sending foias to the

2324
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:41,199
navy

2325
01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:44,960
uh and then that went on

2326
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:48,880
um throughout 2017.

2327
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:51,199
and and then i did the interview on your

2328
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:52,639
show i think october

2329
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:56,480
or november 2017. and then the

2330
01:31:02,590 --> 01:31:00,480
new york times uh their story came out i

2331
01:31:06,629 --> 01:31:02,600
think it was december 17

2332
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:06,639
2017. yeah december 16 2017 right yeah

2333
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:07,679
and we finally

2334
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:10,719
finished the report and released it

2335
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:16,400
i think it was in like august of 2018.

2336
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:20,000
so that was about two years and in

2337
01:31:27,750 --> 01:31:24,560
in between when we talked in late 2017

2338
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:27,760
and 2018 when you finished your report

2339
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:30,159
was there a lot of a lot more things

2340
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:32,719
that you uncovered

2341
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:35,520
as far as like four years oh you mean

2342
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:36,159
from

2343
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:39,520
uh after years when i did your show yeah

2344
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:43,040
well yeah there was quite a bit uh

2345
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:46,960
because um in addition to uh

2346
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:49,600
talking to kevin day right and i i

2347
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,080
talked to kevin day martin before

2348
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:54,880
any he ever got involved in facebook or

2349
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,560
talked to other people so i yeah that

2350
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:58,560
was a fresh interview of him

2351
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:02,000
then i uh found gary voris

2352
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:04,159
right uh i found him by actually going

2353
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:05,199
on to uss

2354
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:08,320
princeton facebook site

2355
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:11,600
and if you go to my report like

2356
01:32:14,870 --> 01:32:14,239
whoever this new guy is you have you

2357
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:14,880
could pull up

2358
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:16,880
my report and do a google search on the

2359
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:18,159
repo or do a search

2360
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,199
for his name and you'll see if

2361
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:23,520
if i had picked him up on facebook

2362
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:24,400
because

2363
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:27,440
i would say on facebook there were a

2364
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:28,560
total

2365
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:31,600
of seven to eight sailors talking about

2366
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:32,639
that

2367
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:35,760
back in 2009

2368
01:32:42,790 --> 01:32:39,040
to 10. and

2369
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:42,800
and so i i basically uh messaged every

2370
01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:43,600
one of them

2371
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:46,400
jerry boris was one that replied back to

2372
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:46,960
me

2373
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:50,000
and so i was able to interview him and

2374
01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:51,600
then there was another gentleman who

2375
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:53,280
replied back to me

2376
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:55,520
uh gosh i can't think of his name at the

2377
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:01,189
he was one of the first witnesses and so

2378
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:03,280
i interviewed him

2379
01:33:06,830 --> 01:33:05,760
and but there were two or three guys

2380
01:33:09,669 --> 01:33:06,840
there was a

2381
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:09,679
cryptologist on there

2382
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:12,400
uh really in the crypto group that was

2383
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:14,320
talking about it but i never could get

2384
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:15,120
him to

2385
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:17,920
uh you know reply to me so that i could

2386
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:19,600
interview him

2387
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:21,360
but it was clear to me as soon as i saw

2388
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:22,639
that facebook site

2389
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:26,400
that you know this story had legs

2390
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:30,239
as they say um

2391
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:34,800
wow yeah you know the amazing thing is

2392
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:37,679
you have the all these different ships

2393
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:38,960
that had radar

2394
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:41,440
that were capable of detecting this

2395
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:42,800
object

2396
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:46,080
um and yet all that data

2397
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:49,520
it's just cubby holds somewhere

2398
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:52,639
i know and uh how

2399
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:54,960
i mean do you think do you think there's

2400
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:56,800
still more doors to open do you think

2401
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,719
that we'll we'll actually get more i'm

2402
01:34:01,030 --> 01:34:00,159
looking for the gentleman's name right

2403
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:01,040
now

2404
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:09,120
uh unless unless the navy releases

2405
01:34:13,590 --> 01:34:12,320
um the data i'm just not sure what more

2406
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:13,600
can be done

2407
01:34:16,629 --> 01:34:15,199
with the case because in my mind there's

2408
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:16,639
no doubt it happened

2409
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:19,199
i think that's that's finished and

2410
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:20,880
dusted as they say

2411
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:24,960
the issue is could we get uh

2412
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:27,440
data imagine if we could get their radar

2413
01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:28,320
data

2414
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:30,840
that the uss is tracking this object

2415
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:32,320
right

2416
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:35,040
we could know the actual acceleration

2417
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:36,080
numbers

2418
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:38,080
we could know the exact speed the object

2419
01:34:41,109 --> 01:34:39,360
traveled at

2420
01:34:44,390 --> 01:34:41,119
and there might even be additional

2421
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:44,400
information you could get

2422
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:47,679
right um i know that the this uh

2423
01:34:53,350 --> 01:34:50,960
witness's first name is brian that's

2424
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:53,360
that's all i have i don't know if that

2425
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:54,159
yeah i don't

2426
01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:57,440
the report because there were like i

2427
01:35:02,229 --> 01:35:00,560
said eight or nine guys talking about it

2428
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:02,239
and i was only able to get two of them

2429
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:03,920
to reply to my

2430
01:35:06,950 --> 01:35:06,400
requests whoops i think we might let's

2431
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:06,960
see

2432
01:35:12,830 --> 01:35:10,080
yeah uh we have someone ready

2433
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:12,840
it looks like uh we have steve from

2434
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:14,560
pasadena

2435
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:18,239
uh on the line uh steve can you hear me

2436
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:20,159
welcome to the show

2437
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:23,199
thank you martin hi robert

2438
01:35:27,669 --> 01:35:27,199
hi steve uh hi uh my question is other

2439
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:27,679
than

2440
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:30,880
stanton friedman a nuclear physics

2441
01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:34,080
scientist why haven't scientists taken

2442
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:34,719
up this

2443
01:35:42,229 --> 01:35:38,239
ufo phenomena and studied it why

2444
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:42,239
we can't get science look at this well

2445
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:42,960
actually

2446
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:45,920
uh steve we are within the scu we have a

2447
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:47,360
number of teams

2448
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:49,280
uh that are looking at it i mean we've

2449
01:35:54,430 --> 01:35:51,760
got a number of physicists

2450
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:54,440
that are within the scu as well as

2451
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:01,030
so we're actually actively looking at it

2452
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:06,400
the the problem is getting the real data

2453
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:09,760
it's hard to to make a science report

2454
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:12,400
based on purely witness data

2455
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:15,520
what we really need is the uh you know

2456
01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:15,920
the

2457
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:24,149
in any any uh any anything you'd like to

2458
01:36:27,669 --> 01:36:25,679
add to that

2459
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:27,679
stephen uh just one more question if i

2460
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:29,920
may do you believe that we have some

2461
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:30,960
kind of uh

2462
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:35,360
material that that that we have and

2463
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:39,840
that's been studied that from a ufo

2464
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,920
well you know that's not i can't say

2465
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:43,440
absolutely that we don't

2466
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:47,760
but i i seriously doubt it um

2467
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:51,040
i just and that's just based on all the

2468
01:36:55,669 --> 01:36:52,080
research i've done

2469
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:55,679
and all the reading i've done um

2470
01:37:02,550 --> 01:37:00,000
i i don't believe that we have in hand

2471
01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:02,560
um i mean okay i'm gonna take there

2472
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:03,119
might be

2473
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:06,000
like a piece of something right but i

2474
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:07,280
don't believe we have

2475
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:11,440
like it from roswell uh any technology

2476
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:14,800
that we've uh got our hands on that we

2477
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:16,960
tried to reverse engineer

2478
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,320
is that what you meant the letter sir

2479
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:21,920
and i just want to thank you for taking

2480
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:24,239
this scientific approach

2481
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:26,560
to this phenomenon because that's what

2482
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:27,760
we really need

2483
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:30,880
we need the minds behind this looking at

2484
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:31,440
it

2485
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:34,560
and uh thank you you're welcome

2486
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:36,719
and we need the data so those minds can

2487
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:37,600
analyze it

2488
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:40,880
yeah thanks for the call steve

2489
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:43,199
all right next we have john uh looks

2490
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:45,040
like john's calling from new york hi

2491
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:47,440
john welcome to the show

2492
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:50,159
hello very good to talk to you martin i

2493
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:52,400
watch your show all the time

2494
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:54,639
well i've been interested in ufos all my

2495
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,600
life and i

2496
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:57,360
i don't know why maybe it's just the

2497
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:00,000
thought of something different

2498
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:03,440
but my question really is actually

2499
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:06,800
toward bob lazar

2500
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:09,840
and uh well bob's bizarre

2501
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:13,360
he thinks he said now his stories

2502
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:14,159
changed

2503
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:17,360
now they said they dug up these ufos

2504
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:20,000
and he never said that in the past about

2505
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:21,600
digging up

2506
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:24,080
ufos you know and then also a thing

2507
01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:25,360
about him as i always

2508
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:28,840
questioned um he said he went to mit

2509
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,040
right and

2510
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:33,600
he never mentioned living in you know

2511
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:34,719
massachusetts

2512
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:37,840
he had to go there to go to mit

2513
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:39,600
he never mentioned going there at all

2514
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,400
ever i was just curious about that what

2515
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:44,400
your thoughts were on that

2516
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:47,360
well the yeah my main problem john i

2517
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:48,239
guess with it

2518
01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:51,280
he claims that element 110

2519
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:55,520
is what powers these uh ufos well

2520
01:39:03,109 --> 01:38:58,719
115. maybe it's

2521
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:03,119
115 either way from from element 110

2522
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:06,560
clear to element 115 those elements are

2523
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:08,639
artificially produced

2524
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:12,159
and they exist for usually a millisecond

2525
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,360
or a microsecond

2526
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:15,760
and then and then you lose and then they

2527
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:17,920
begin to dissipate

2528
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:24,149
that just doesn't make sense to me how

2529
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:25,199
you could use

2530
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:28,800
any of those as an energy source

2531
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:30,960
yeah i i'd like to add something to it

2532
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:32,560
because i always get in trouble

2533
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:35,119
when it comes to bob lazar i always get

2534
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:36,880
emails

2535
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,080
after i talk uh about him

2536
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:42,560
but um you know my my thought is uh to

2537
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:43,440
your point

2538
01:39:50,229 --> 01:39:46,639
uh john and that is uh

2539
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:50,239
he was at a public um like a conference

2540
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:53,760
and people were asking him i i mentioned

2541
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:54,000
this

2542
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:55,360
on the show before but people were

2543
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:57,040
asking him questions from the audience

2544
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,080
and was live

2545
01:40:01,830 --> 01:40:00,480
he couldn't dodge the question and

2546
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:01,840
someone said to him

2547
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,280
okay uh bob you went to mit what was the

2548
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:07,600
square right outside of mit

2549
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:10,560
and anyone that's spent a day at mit

2550
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:12,719
knows that it's kendall square

2551
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:16,000
and uh he said uh i can't recall

2552
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:19,920
so um that just to me right then and

2553
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:22,320
there says he never set foot in mit

2554
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:24,800
you know for any amount of time yeah

2555
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:25,920
yeah

2556
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:29,920
so i don't know beginning he started out

2557
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:31,520
it was kind of believable then it went

2558
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:33,119
downhill from there

2559
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:36,719
and just started to get on my nerves

2560
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:38,400
my question and a thought on your

2561
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:40,320
thoughts

2562
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:43,600
yeah much all right thanks for the call

2563
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:46,560
so uh the lines open everyone and again

2564
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:48,480
that that number is uh

2565
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,679
8 5 five four seven two five four eight

2566
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:54,080
three your call is welcome

2567
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:57,520
and uh let's see uh

2568
01:41:03,430 --> 01:40:59,520
up looks like we got someone else uh

2569
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,470
uh oh oh

2570
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:08,880
he was trying to write me he messed up

2571
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:11,119
he said noon on hold he meant to say no

2572
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:13,920
one is on hold

2573
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:15,440
so the other thing i can comment real

2574
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:18,159
quick yeah martin on on reverse

2575
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:19,119
engineering right

2576
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:21,360
so i worked in the semiconductor field

2577
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:22,480
and we reversed

2578
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,080
engineered our competitors

2579
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:26,560
microprocessors all the time

2580
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:28,719
and let me tell you that is very

2581
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:29,920
difficult

2582
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:32,560
and that's a science right that's a

2583
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:33,840
competitor who's

2584
01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:36,960
at the same level of understanding as us

2585
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:39,920
and it takes us months to years imagine

2586
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:40,719
taking

2587
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:43,600
like an f-18 well not even that just

2588
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,000
take

2589
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:46,639
your cell phone yeah give it to the

2590
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:48,480
greatest scientists

2591
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:51,920
of 150 years ago yeah that

2592
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:54,080
they would never reverse engineer it

2593
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:56,719
would never happen

2594
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:59,760
i i know i mean and you

2595
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,440
you know i mean there's there are

2596
01:42:05,430 --> 01:42:03,440
theories you know people are saying

2597
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:05,440
well there there's also some people that

2598
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:07,040
actually do believe that there's

2599
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:10,480
crash material and and that it's being

2600
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:13,600
uh looked at um that was also in james

2601
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:14,719
fox's

2602
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:18,159
latest film um you know they didn't have

2603
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:21,520
a material scientist actually analyze it

2604
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:22,480
they had

2605
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:25,679
um nolan over at stanford a

2606
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:28,800
very good scientist but still not

2607
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,600
exactly the right person to analyze it

2608
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:33,440
so i i just

2609
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:37,600
and even so what would make something

2610
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:39,199
definitive that it's for

2611
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:41,119
extraterrestrial just

2612
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:43,360
to have some type of technology in the

2613
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:45,679
fabrication that we can't

2614
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,159
reproduce yeah i mean

2615
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:52,560
even you know it's a bit to me it's a

2616
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:53,920
big even

2617
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:57,760
if uh we got our hands on a piece

2618
01:43:01,109 --> 01:43:00,239
of material that was built by another

2619
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:01,119
civilization

2620
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:07,750
there's nothing we could do with it at

2621
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:09,920
the very most we might be able to

2622
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:11,040
determine

2623
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:14,239
yes this was not built here and then

2624
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:14,639
that

2625
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,520
and what else could you you can't say

2626
01:43:23,669 --> 01:43:21,520
so it's definitely alien there's no

2627
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:23,679
definitive way to say this was

2628
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:25,360
an alien made unless you had a whole

2629
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:27,600
craft or at least uh what

2630
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:31,760
exactly you'd need right

2631
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,000
you'd need something like like a cell

2632
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:36,800
phone or their communication device

2633
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:38,239
or something like that that you could

2634
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:40,960
clearly say i mean because

2635
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:43,199
on elementary analysis you could

2636
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:44,400
determine

2637
01:43:53,109 --> 01:43:49,119
that the isotope ratios of material

2638
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:53,119
are not are foreign to this earth right

2639
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:55,280
so but that's all it tells you it just

2640
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:56,239
tells you

2641
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:58,239
it does not appear to have been made

2642
01:44:04,229 --> 01:43:59,440
here

2643
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:04,239
know i mean is it a piece of a meteorite

2644
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:09,040
yeah a lost asteroid chunk

2645
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:11,840
exactly well we have mike from

2646
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:12,880
cincinnati

2647
01:44:20,950 --> 01:44:19,830
gentlemen hi um i'll ask my question and

2648
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:20,960
then i'll take

2649
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:24,080
the answer off air sure robert mentioned

2650
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:24,960
the

2651
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:27,600
puerto rican ufo hardly displaced any

2652
01:44:31,189 --> 01:44:28,800
water

2653
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:31,199
when it entered the sea i'm wondering

2654
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:32,800
about when it came back out

2655
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:36,239
if it pulled any water behind it

2656
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,199
interesting so thank you thank you thank

2657
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:41,760
you for the call mike

2658
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:45,280
now that's a good question mike uh

2659
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:46,960
when it came out of the water there was

2660
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:49,280
no water that was pulled up along with

2661
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:49,520
it

2662
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:56,159
was able to enter and leave the water

2663
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:59,119
with just very minor disturbance of the

2664
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:00,960
water

2665
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:04,239
was any uh robert was any of the

2666
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:07,040
uh well skeptics or debunkers as you

2667
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:08,639
mentioned

2668
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:12,000
trying to say that um the there was a

2669
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:13,679
wave in front of it so it looked like it

2670
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:16,639
went in the water

2671
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:19,360
a wave in front no i haven't heard that

2672
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,679
the

2673
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:22,000
only two arguments i've heard to say did

2674
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:23,600
not really go in the water

2675
01:45:30,070 --> 01:45:27,040
one is that you know the clouds

2676
01:45:33,430 --> 01:45:30,080
some cloud must have obscured the object

2677
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:33,440
from the ir lens right yeah and then the

2678
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:34,960
second argument was

2679
01:45:42,629 --> 01:45:39,440
that uh the camera just lost its ability

2680
01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:42,639
to resolve yeah the object at that point

2681
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:44,800
in time yeah

2682
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:48,000
so yeah nothing nothing definitive

2683
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:53,360
uh now when the scu is actually

2684
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:57,360
looking at a case um how do you go about

2685
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:58,000
that i mean how

2686
01:46:01,750 --> 01:46:00,880
do you decide what case you're going to

2687
01:46:04,229 --> 01:46:01,760
take on and

2688
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:04,239
and who are the people that get involved

2689
01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:05,280
within

2690
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:07,440
um if they have some type of related

2691
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:09,360
science background to what you're

2692
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:10,960
looking at

2693
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:13,840
yeah um well the first step is trying to

2694
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:14,800
determine

2695
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:17,679
is there enough data to make the case

2696
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:18,719
worth

2697
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:21,760
analyzing and most of the time the

2698
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:22,960
answer is no so we

2699
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:24,880
stop right there i'll give you an

2700
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:27,679
example the 2015

2701
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:30,560
videos right that you've seen uh that

2702
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:31,360
ttsa

2703
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:35,679
has released um that that's a very

2704
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,560
uh interesting video you know because

2705
01:46:43,669 --> 01:46:40,719
you've got pilots talking

2706
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:43,679
about you know what in the heck is that

2707
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:44,960
right

2708
01:46:50,470 --> 01:46:48,320
but there's we don't have those pilots

2709
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:50,480
testimony

2710
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:54,400
and a video by itself

2711
01:47:00,390 --> 01:46:58,239
is similar to just testimony by itself

2712
01:47:02,149 --> 01:47:00,400
i mean you really need those both of

2713
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:02,159
those supporting each other

2714
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:04,719
so we haven't really looked at the 2015

2715
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:05,199
case

2716
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:07,840
because there's just not enough

2717
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:09,600
testimony supporting

2718
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:12,960
exactly what was going on

2719
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:16,560
i got it okay someone wanted to know

2720
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:19,360
adam wanted to know why do you seem to

2721
01:47:25,109 --> 01:47:21,600
be unconvinced by any gravity as

2722
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:25,119
propulsion for these craft because

2723
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:28,639
um these craft exhibit uh when we

2724
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:31,840
we did a paper on the nimitz case

2725
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:34,800
and the accelerations went into hundreds

2726
01:47:40,229 --> 01:47:37,119
of g-forces

2727
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:40,239
so that acceleration

2728
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:44,159
is a function of the inertial mass

2729
01:47:49,590 --> 01:47:46,960
of an object and how fast it can

2730
01:47:51,189 --> 01:47:49,600
accelerate

2731
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:51,199
you could take gravity out of the

2732
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:53,040
equation right

2733
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:56,159
i mean just make the earth disappear

2734
01:48:04,070 --> 01:47:59,280
you still can't accelerate

2735
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:04,080
rapidly unless you've got

2736
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:07,920
either number one a huge uh power supply

2737
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:09,440
behind you

2738
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:13,280
or number two your mass has been reduced

2739
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:14,960
significantly

2740
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:16,960
and so you're not having to accelerate a

2741
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:19,199
large so

2742
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:21,520
to me gravity has nothing to do with it

2743
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:23,199
right all gravity does

2744
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:26,320
our gravity is one g-force when

2745
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:28,239
when you drop towards the earth you're

2746
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:31,040
moving it one g

2747
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:35,040
so and you know you could eliminate the

2748
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:36,000
earth's gravity

2749
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:39,280
all you're talking about is one g and

2750
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,000
these things are displaying hundreds of

2751
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:44,239
g forces

2752
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:47,920
now is mass and displacement

2753
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,430
uh i'm not sure all right i'm going to

2754
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:55,679
say the object was about 40

2755
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:58,560
i'm talking about the tic tac the object

2756
01:49:02,709 --> 01:48:59,679
was

2757
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:02,719
somewhere around 40 to 45 feet

2758
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:05,840
long right um and then you know it drops

2759
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:08,239
from 60 000 feet down to a few feet

2760
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:09,119
above

2761
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:12,719
the ocean uh in in a matter of

2762
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:15,360
i forget what it was 1.7 seconds or

2763
01:49:18,629 --> 01:49:15,840
something

2764
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:18,639
yeah 0.78 seconds according to kevin day

2765
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:19,360
so

2766
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:27,270
the displacement the shape of 45 feet

2767
01:49:31,589 --> 01:49:30,480
but is that different than the mass of

2768
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:31,599
45 feet

2769
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:34,159
oh you know the weight say it could have

2770
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:35,199
no weight and

2771
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:38,800
and still displace that right its shape

2772
01:49:45,189 --> 01:49:42,000
controls how much air resistance yeah

2773
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:45,199
right yes like even a balloon would have

2774
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:47,040
air air resistance yes

2775
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:49,199
but it's weight whether it weighs one

2776
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,280
gram or weighs 40 000

2777
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:53,679
pounds it's going to move towards the

2778
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:54,800
earth with just

2779
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:58,000
a force of one g yeah

2780
01:50:01,510 --> 01:50:00,080
independent that that's galileo's

2781
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:01,520
experiment remember he drops

2782
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:03,440
the feather in the yeah yeah and they'll

2783
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:04,880
bubble in the vacuum

2784
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:07,280
yeah right feather in the hammer oh you

2785
01:50:11,589 --> 01:50:09,760
can get rid of that gravity and

2786
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:11,599
that to me that does not explain what

2787
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:14,159
these craft are capable of doing

2788
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,880
yeah and you mentioned earlier you know

2789
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:18,239
some of these things

2790
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:21,199
should have like a be a ball of flame is

2791
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:22,320
this the case

2792
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,000
with the nimitz should that have been a

2793
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:26,159
ball of flame absolutely the speed of

2794
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:27,520
that object

2795
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:30,320
was well over 20 000 miles an hour at

2796
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:31,440
low altitude

2797
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:32,800
i mean it should have been like a

2798
01:50:35,589 --> 01:50:34,880
meteorite just not only would you have a

2799
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:35,599
ball of

2800
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:38,000
flame the atmosphere around it would be

2801
01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:40,800
just almost explosively moving away from

2802
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:41,840
it

2803
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:46,080
um right moving through the atmosphere

2804
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:49,040
is there any constructed craft that we

2805
01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:50,800
could have that would take a g-force

2806
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:52,000
like that

2807
01:50:59,589 --> 01:50:55,440
no no everything would fall apart yeah

2808
01:51:03,830 --> 01:50:59,599
an artillery shell has like 50 or 60 g's

2809
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:03,840
uh an f-16 can handle i think around

2810
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:07,199
14 or 15 g's

2811
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:10,719
f-18 won't handle that much but like a

2812
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:11,280
missile

2813
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:16,000
you know with a warhead on it or

2814
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:18,080
something yeah it could handle more g's

2815
01:51:21,669 --> 01:51:20,719
i'm not sure how high a missile could

2816
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:21,679
handle

2817
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:24,639
uh i would i'm just guessing probably

2818
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:26,400
around 50 g's but i don't

2819
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:29,040
i don't know it's it's probably more of

2820
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:29,920
a function

2821
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:32,800
of the internal components and when your

2822
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:34,239
internal components

2823
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:37,679
get damaged from the g-forces wow

2824
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:40,400
uh let's see this is a little this is a

2825
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:42,560
quote on air resistance

2826
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:45,119
um do you agree with the statement that

2827
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:46,400
uh jeff put up there

2828
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:48,880
does that make any sense to you um well

2829
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:49,440
like

2830
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:52,320
uh lasers the the reason you use they're

2831
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:54,080
able to use high-powered lasers

2832
01:51:57,669 --> 01:51:56,880
is they do these very extremely rapid

2833
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:57,679
bursts

2834
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:01,360
where the first weight laser front uh

2835
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:04,800
basically pulverizes the atmosphere

2836
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:06,560
and then your main laser comes right

2837
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:08,880
behind it and so that's how you're able

2838
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:11,040
to get a high power laser to

2839
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:13,520
move through the atmosphere same thing

2840
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:15,760
we do to look at stars with

2841
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:19,040
with the newest telescopes is that a

2842
01:52:24,470 --> 01:52:21,920
laser light

2843
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:24,480
basically causes the atmosphere to part

2844
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:25,679
in that area

2845
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:29,599
just it for a very brief moment in time

2846
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,719
but you can't use it to like allow a jet

2847
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,040
aircraft to fly through the atmosphere

2848
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,119
without resistance

2849
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:39,760
yeah that that's that when they do that

2850
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:41,040
with a laser it's

2851
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:42,560
i mean you're talking like i think it's

2852
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:44,960
like in pico seconds

2853
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:48,800
then the one laser flashes the next one

2854
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:50,639
comes behind it

2855
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:53,760
yeah i think there was a physicist named

2856
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:54,639
mirabo

2857
01:53:02,229 --> 01:52:59,280
that have you heard that name

2858
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:02,239
mirabeau uh that was talking about

2859
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:03,280
propulsion

2860
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:07,599
with plasma uh plasma

2861
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:10,239
in front of it uh none of that rings a

2862
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:10,719
bell

2863
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:15,990
because i may have that off a little bit

2864
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:18,480
but we're going to wrap here in just uh

2865
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:19,679
one minute so

2866
01:53:23,589 --> 01:53:22,719
just if you would uh tell people where

2867
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:23,599
they can find

2868
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:27,360
the book and it's on him is it on amazon

2869
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:28,639
right it's on amazon

2870
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:30,239
it's on barnes and noble there's a

2871
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:32,000
hardback which i think is the nicest for

2872
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:34,239
a gift or you can do paperback

2873
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:37,599
it's also in kindle and if if someone

2874
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:38,159
wanted an

2875
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:41,199
autograph uh copy i can

2876
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:43,199
i have a limited number of those but

2877
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:44,639
they sent you an email

2878
01:53:47,830 --> 01:53:46,560
martin then you could forward it to me

2879
01:53:49,669 --> 01:53:47,840
and i could uh

2880
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:49,679
work out with them to get them a audit

2881
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:51,199
that sounds like a great idea

2882
01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:52,719
all right robert thank you so much

2883
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,400
always fun talking to you yeah

2884
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:56,800
same here martin all right take care all

2885
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:57,679
right thank you

2886
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,679
yeah bye all right everyone so that's it

2887
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:01,280
for the show we'll be back

2888
01:54:06,629 --> 01:54:04,080
next week with melanie kirkendorfer from

2889
01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:06,639
the berkshires ufo should be a great one

2890
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:08,880
thanks so much for listening and

2891
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:10,239
remember everyone

2892
01:54:25,900 --> 01:54:13,840
to keep your eyes to the sky